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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dirk_S on November 05, 2024, 12:41:39 PM
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Recently leaked pics, promo specs from EICMA, and now we have a teaser video available from the marque:
]https://youtu.be/INzgmoc4nnE?si=1zCE0I-gi8cxxmF0] (https://youtu.be/INzgmoc4nnE?si=1zCE0I-gi8cxxmF0)
Looking forward to specs and a test ride someday.
I’ll stop complaining about the lack of clip-ons only if we avoid calling this a café ;)
Write-up from ADV Rider:
https://www.advrider.com/moto-guzzi-v7-sport-returns/ (https://www.advrider.com/moto-guzzi-v7-sport-returns/)
(https://i.ibb.co/dJPT3g1/IMG-6536.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dJPT3g1)
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Looking forward to specs
Recheck the EICMA thread.
* 52 mm Throttle Body (increased hp/torque)
* Ride-by-Wire / multi-mapping
* 6 Axis cornering ABS
* Cruise Control
* 41 mm USD Forks
* Lightweight wheels
* Dual front Radial mounted Brembo Monobloc Calipers
* Updated clutch, transmission, and switch gear
* Fuel gauge
That's a good start.
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Sure looks like another remake-----------------------
https://www.motorcycleclassics.com/classic-italian-motorcycles/2010-moto-guzzi-v7-cafe-classic/
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Ok good…
Now we need the wire wheels, analogue gauges, silver engine/drive train, chrome exhaust, Ohlins replica colour fork staunchions (or the real thing) and a nicely styled colour matched fairing with clear screen offered as an option.
Yeah yeah, the ABS will be a bonus for some riders, but unless it’s mandated by law, most riders would not want it, especially if it reduced the price.
I would wager, that if someone got one of those and tastefully did the alterations mentioned above, it would be almost unanimously agreed that..?
“They should have built it like that …”
How many times did I say that it needed the second front disc and was roundly criticised ?
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Heck the '25 Special is losing the twin analog clocks and non-LED logo headlamp. Glad I got my '23
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Specs, from a photo taken (https://www.facebook.com/groups/v7motoguzzi/posts/10161726627990837/) at EICMA
(https://i.ibb.co/wCjQ25P/image.png) (https://ibb.co/WFjzRmM)
Keep in mind that emission equipment and tune sometimes vary by market, resulting in slightly different performance.
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Sure looks like another remake-----------------------
https://www.motorcycleclassics.com/classic-italian-motorcycles/2010-moto-guzzi-v7-cafe-classic/
The bike that brought me into the Guzzi fold.
(https://i.ibb.co/28yMqhF/2015-12-26-20-02-10.jpg) (https://ibb.co/28yMqhF)
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I like it, but not enough to part with my modified V7III Carbon dark.
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I like this a lot, a whole lot.
But, wish it had a silver or aluminum colored motor…
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From ground breaking to just another color combination. Pretty sad imo.
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I HATE silver motors. No thanks.
From ground breaking to just another color combination. Pretty sad imo.
Wait, what?!?
Just color?
The forks, the brakes, the better throttle body and electronics, the leaning ABS.... Just another color combo?!?
Wait, what?
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From ground breaking to just another color combination. Pretty sad imo.
What was ground-breaking? The original Tonti big-block V7 Sport, or the first small block V7? The small block V7 was essentially a Nevada/Breva 750 with a retro V7 Sport-style tank and saddle slapped on. That line hasn’t been ground-breaking since its inception.
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No pleasing anybody this morning.
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The first sport, early 70s, was the game changer This thing isn't competitive or new in any way. What a missed opportunity.
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I HATE silver motors. No thanks.
Wait, what?!?
Just color?
The forks, the brakes, the better throttle body and electronics, the leaning ABS.... Just another color combo?!?
Wait, what?
A 67 hp 850cc sportbike? That's how you're going to resurrect the Sport today? It's embarrassing
They may as well just have painted it red and slapped a LeMans badge on it.
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It's retro-sport, not Sport, certainly not Super Sport, retro! Really, what did you guys think you were gonna get in a sport bike from Guzzi?
Guzzi hasn't produced a competitive sport bike in generations. Seriously, you have to go back several decades into the last century to find such a bike.
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It's retro-sport, not Sport, certainly not Super Sport, retro! Really, what did you guys think you were gonna get in a sport bike from Guzzi?
Guzzi hasn't produced a competitive sport bike in generations. Seriously, you have to go back several decades into the last century to find such a bike.
I agree. Just leave the old name alone unless you're going to honor it with something with teeth.
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The first sport, early 70s, was the game changer This thing isn't competitive or new in any way. What a missed opportunity.
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A 67 hp 850cc sportbike? That's how you're going to resurrect the Sport today? It's embarrassing
They may as well just have painted it red and slapped a LeMans badge on it.
OMG not this shit again.
The past is gone.
Guzzi doesn't make a SPORT bike and I'd argue hasn't REALLY made one in decades.
No one is going to make a "competitive" sport bike on an 850cc air-cooled motor these days, never mind a game changer.
And more importantly I've ridden a rather nice example of the original, and I'm betting this one is better in almost every way.
and YEAH, while we're at it, let's go ahead and make a LeMans version too. That would be better than slapping either of those names on something (like an Aprilia) that could in anyway be considered a "competitive" sport bike.
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I like it a lot. Its between that, and a 24 Stone. I'll have the funds for the more expensive model, and as I have said before, it will probably feel different from my 20 years old Breva.
And yes there is no pleasing some people. If Guzzi came out with a supercharged 1000 with 150hp weighing 175kgs, people would complain there was nowhere to strap the tent. Or that it had fuel injection. Or ABS. Or something. Or that 150hp was nothing these days.... :rolleyes:
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Is it too much to ask for Guzzi at least put the V85 motor to the v7 when bringing the V7 sport name back? all the parts are ready. just price it may be 2K above the regular V7 and make that a special model.
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I don't like the single clock, are we that cheap we can't afford a tack?
Roy
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OMG not this shit again.
The past is gone.
Guzzi doesn't make a SPORT bike and I'd argue hasn't REALLY made one in decades.
That's my first thought when I saw the "New V7 Sport". Not this shit again.
Guzzi hasn't made a real Sport bike since forever...so why badge it SPORT??
Would you still be fine with it if it was red and badged LeMans? I doubt it.
"V7 Sport returns" ... you can't be serious unless they're referring to specs from 53 years ago.
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That's my first thought when I saw the "New V7 Sport". Not this shit again.
Guzzi hasn't made a real Sport bike since forever...so why badge it SPORT??
Would you still be fine with it if it was red and badged LeMans? I doubt it.
I already said why I think your attitude is ridiculous and yes I would be 100% fine for the same reasons.
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Enjoy your "sport"
I already said why I think your attitude is ridiculous and yes I would be 100% fine for the same reasons.
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(https://i.ibb.co/dJPT3g1/IMG-6536.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dJPT3g1)
I like it. A lot. But to call it "Sport" may give people, especially those potential buyers new to Moto Guzzi, a wrong impression. But it may well be a hit among seasoned Guzzi fan boys. That colour is just absolutely spectacular.
On the other hand, I still think that if Piaggio wants more sales, the company would do much better to spend more money on new dealerships (and keeping the few they already have) instead of on new models. In my experience it is the lack of dealerships that keeps people from buying a Moto Guzzi (or Aprilia) motorcycle, not a lack of interesting models.
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I am not excited by this bike, I will admit. The headlight does not look good on anything, especially nothing with sport in their name. And why just one ugly digital clock, when they have twin analogue (looking) clocks available from the Special? And then fit it with advanced ABS, something purists will rather be without, but no damping adjustment on the fork or shocks? And they have an 80hp donk in their lineup already, so why not fit it instead of the "tuned" 67hp unit? Then you have rims not suitable to carry anything resembling performance tires. The whole thing then top it off by being 50 lbs overweight. Even with better suspension, wheels and additional power, plus the reduced weight, it would still not be a sports bike by any definition of the word, but it would be significantly better performing the any other small block Guzzi. YMMV.
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I wanted to get rid of the weight of my 2016 Eldorado. I wanted to stay with MG and get a V7. But after seeing this "new" V7 I'm glad I bought a BMW R12. I just don't understand motorcycle manufacturers. I wouldn't have hesitated to buy a V7 if it had the V85 engine. This new Sport is just the same V7 with some bells and whistles.
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Great discussion guys. Here's my unaskedfor input. The "sport" in the name is an homage to the old sport, not a serious attempt at a sport bike. Would the V85 engine be cool in this bike, absolutely, but it may take some modifications of the frame and other parts for the extra torque and hp. The V7 series is also seriously limited in tire selection, would the current wheels/tires handle the v85 lump? Most people would still say it didn't have enough power. Then there is price. One of the attractive features of the V7s is their generally under $10,000 price. Would you pay $12,000 for a V7 even with 80 hp. The fellow who bought the BMW got a lot more HP for his bucks, the Triumph 1200 twins are much more powerful Horsepower is no longer my main metric but it is for many.
Personally, like many others here, I just can't get past that guage. It is so out of place on a retro type bike. I don't care much for the headlight either, but at least you don't see it when riding.
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They may as well just have painted it red and slapped a LeMans badge on it.
Please Moto Guzzi paint one red a slap a LeMans badge on it!
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I wanted to get rid of the weight of my 2016 Eldorado. I wanted to stay with MG and get a V7. But after seeing this "new" V7 I'm glad I bought a BMW R12. I just don't understand motorcycle manufacturers. I wouldn't have hesitated to buy a V7 if it had the V85 engine. This new Sport is just the same V7 with some bells and whistles.
I'm sure the R12 is got gobs of power, being that its motor is huge when compared to the Guzzi. But to get a R12 with spec'd up to the standard level for the V7 sport your looking at a MSRP of at least $15,484, that's getting very close to $5000 more than the v7sport.
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I don't like the single clock, are we that cheap we can't afford a tack?
Roy
This is carried over from the V7 Stone 850. I too would have preferred the Special's dual gauges instead of the single digital display. I think the gauge and the headlight detract from the retro/classic appeal of the latest V7 and V9.
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I wanted to get rid of the weight of my 2016 Eldorado. I wanted to stay with MG and get a V7. But after seeing this "new" V7 I'm glad I bought a BMW R12. I just don't understand motorcycle manufacturers. I wouldn't have hesitated to buy a V7 if it had the V85 engine. This new Sport is just the same V7 with some bells and whistles.
Have you ridden a V85? Cause I prefer the V7 mills personally. It's a torque and rpm thing.
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Keep in mind who's buying these things. I'm somewhat surprised by the number of newish riders I've seen on V7's over the past 6 months. They LOVE the bike.
Non of them are on boards like this-I know 'cause I asked. They simply enjoy the machine. They know almost nothing of the Guzzi past-and don't really care. They just like cool stuff. They also buy 900 Bonnevilles. Plenty fast for them and was less than the 1200-which matters a lot.
At a Aprillia/Guzzi demo event I went to two weeks ago the owners told me the sub 10K price was a critical factor for sales.
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It's not a California so... Meh.
-AJ
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I'm sure the R12 is got gobs of power, being that its motor is huge when compared to the Guzzi. But to get a R12 with spec'd up to the standard level for the V7 sport your looking at a MSRP of at least $15,484, that's getting very close to $5000 more than the v7sport.
Yes it did cost more than the V7. Spec wise it has the same spec's and then some as the V7 Sport plus the power. The dealer I got it from put the bike on the BMW demo program which reduced the price to $13,550 and gave me an additional 6 month warranty on top of the three years. Plus 2.9% financing. It was a good deal.
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I'm sure the R12 is got gobs of power, being that its motor is huge when compared to the Guzzi. But to get a R12 with spec'd up to the standard level for the V7 sport your looking at a MSRP of at least $15,484, that's getting very close to $5000 more than the v7sport.
Yes it did cost more than the V7. Spec wise it has the same spec's and then some as the V7 Sport plus the power. The dealer I got it from put the bike on the BMW demo program which reduced the price to $13,550 and gave me an additional 6 month warranty on top of the three years. Plus 2.9% financing. It was a good deal.
Ok so for the ancient or uninitiated, when you quote someone in a post, please type your shit AFTER the [ / quote] tag.
That is all. :kiss:
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I like it. A lot. But to call it "Sport" may give people, especially those potential buyers new to Moto Guzzi, a wrong impression. But it may well be a hit among seasoned Guzzi fan boys. That colour is just absolutely spectacular.
I agree. The original Sport was the fastest production Guzzi, and motorcycle period, when it came out. This one isn't even close to being the fastest in the current Guzzi lineup. It's just a color.
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I wanted to get rid of the weight of my 2016 Eldorado. I wanted to stay with MG and get a V7. But after seeing this "new" V7 I'm glad I bought a BMW R12. I just don't understand motorcycle manufacturers. I wouldn't have hesitated to buy a V7 if it had the V85 engine. This new Sport is just the same V7 with some bells and whistles.
What makes the V85TT engine different than the engine in this upcoming bike?
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I agree. The original Sport was the fastest production Guzzi, and motorcycle period, when it came out. This one isn't even close to being the fastest in the current Guzzi lineup. It's just a color.
But shit was really slow then.
I mean the Huyabusa was still decades away then and even by now the Huyabusa is decades ago.
And uh 180 mph is well closing in on double what a 50 rwhp V7 Sport could do, downhill, on a good day.
Point of reference:
https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=118117.0
So let's see the original V7 Sport was around 50 rwhp and the dry weight was around 454#.
Meaning the current V7 850 makes a hair more HP and weighs about the same. And the new V7 Sport will be at least as good but have better brakes and suspension.
< sarcasm> Yup, what a disgrace < \ sarcasm>
Of course what none of this pedantic crap recognizes is the most important part. The purely subjective fun the rider has. My 40 rwhp Heron Head MkI is a total blast. I've tracked it and loved it. I can't see why this V7 Sport with more power, better brakes, and better suspension wouldn't be anything but even more fun.
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What makes the V85TT engine different than the engine in this upcoming bike?
Presumably:
* Valve train
* Exhaust
* Possibly lubrication system
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A lot of folks say we want the 850tt motor . My Centanario has an 850 motor . It’s not the TT motor , but @ 20k Mi. I find it more than adequate, even loaded w/85 Lbs. of camping gear & my 200 Lb. Weight . Passing is never an issue . Cruising @ 75 + speeds & getting 55 MPG too .
It looks like a step in the right direction to me . Dual discs yup (though my single disc works well w/upgraded pads). Front preload adjustment, yup . Wish I had that . If the “single clock” is like my 850 . Once I got used to it I wouldn’t want to go back to the dual gauges as on my V7 II .Just MHO !
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Ok so for the ancient or uninitiated, when you quote someone in a post, please type your shit AFTER the [ / quote] tag.
That is all. :kiss:
Thanks Kev
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An all out sport bike isn't going to happen, cannibalizing Aprilla isn't in the cards. Comparing the V7 to the Bonneville isn't an even comparison. The Bonneville is a much larger bike and is able to handle more horsepower but yet the T120 (1200) only makes 79. I owned both at the same time, they were very different bikes. The V7 was more fun to ride, I used the T120 more for touring and long distance rides. However it wasn't real good for that either. I traded it for a Mandello, much better. My 2 cents.
kk
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I don’t think anyone expects or is asking for a sportbike from the small block range. But the word ‘sport’ meant something. Just like the word scrambler. Cafe. SUV. Adventure. Le Mans. Trials. This is beating a dead horse, I know, but also—Guzzi sure does like to recycle the same words, seemingly a lot more than other brands, but perhaps not. Most of them do it, but just as much?
I do think it’s funny that we’re still pushing the “V7” monicker, when we’re now in the—2nd? 3rd?—iteration of the E5 850cc motor. But hey, I guess it could be worse—we could be Funduro owners.
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I don’t think anyone expects or is asking for a sportbike from the small block range.
Uhhhh look again at some of the objections - "game changer" - "fastest production <snip> motorcycle period" - bla bla bla
That's EXACTLY what some are expecting/asking
But the word ‘sport’ meant something. Just like the word scrambler. Cafe. SUV. Adventure. Le Mans. Trials.
No it really doesn't.
Or maybe it really does- I mean most of the cafe's, scramblers, and Adventures are pure nonsense too.
About 99% of them are mild styling exercises that have the aura of the namesake and perhaps as whiff of the functionality too.
None of them are fully committed and the mental masturbation over the "authenticity" is just that - wanking.
So wank away if that's your thing, or take it all for what it is worth.
As usual, I'm NOT saying anyone needs to want or like these bikes. Personally though I've found them to be the goldilocks of "modern" offerings. They give a level of performance, efficiency, range, comfort, etc. in a near perfect balance for me.
I don't begrudge others who want more - but this isn't the place to find it and grumbling about it isn't going to change it.
But the authenticity police (and you find them everywhere you find enthusiasts - Harleys, Jeeps, Triumphs, BMWs...oh GOD with BMWs jebuz yeah with BMWs too) get old.
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I do think it’s funny that we’re still pushing the “V7” monicker, when we’re now in the—2nd? 3rd?—iteration of the E5 850cc motor. But hey, I guess it could be worse—we could be Funduro owners.
At this point the moniker is a brand. That's fine. I mean look at the naming conventions of MOST vehicles - sure a FEW have historically tied their names an engine size but the vast majority have either nothing to do with it, are completely made up nonsense, or maybe named after a person/place/thing/concept.
BMW has had some amusing differences in model names vs engine sizes too - platforms that started being named by engine size but continued with the name after the size changed. Yeah it's mildly weird or amusing sometimes, but I think it makes perfect sense in this case from a branding standpoint. I certainly don't waste time worrying about it.
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Keep in mind who's buying these things. I'm somewhat surprised by the number of newish riders I've seen on V7's over the past 6 months. They LOVE the bike.
Non of them are on boards like this-I know 'cause I asked. They simply enjoy the machine. They know almost nothing of the Guzzi past-and don't really care. They just like cool stuff. They also buy 900 Bonnevilles. Plenty fast for them and was less than the 1200-which matters a lot.
At a Aprillia/Guzzi demo event I went to two weeks ago the owners told me the sub 10K price was a critical factor for sales.
Raises hand.
60 years old (I like to think a young 60 lol)
1st bike bought in April, /23 V7 Special
I am on here though and I did know of Guzzi's past. I was a big fan of them back in the 70s as a kid. I honestly hadn't thought much of them for years and they weren't on my radar when I was forst looking for a bike (was leaning heavily Triumph) until I happened to see a Facebook ad advertising a sale on leftover '23s and I was immediately smitten again. For the price I got mine new, it was hard to say no
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Have you ridden a V85? Cause I prefer the V7 mills personally. It's a torque and rpm thing.
No I haven't ridden a V85. Mainly because of the seat height. The last thing I want to do is buy a bike and figure out how I'm going to lower it so I can get on and off comfortably.
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What makes the V85TT engine different than the engine in this upcoming bike?
To start a V85 is 80 HP versus the V7 65HP.
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To start a V85 is 80 HP versus the V7 65HP.
I’ll say it so Kev doesn’t have to. We were talking about this recently. You gotta remember that the claimed horsepower is often at the crank output, and the manufacture typically doesn’t mention what’s actually being produced at the rear wheel (RWHP). Shaft-driven bikes normally lose a good deal more power from crank to final delivery.
The most recent dyno charts that he and I found on the V85TT—back around 2019 or so—showed that the V85TT only put out ~64 hp at the rear. Is that more than what the V7 Sport and Co. will produce at the rear? Probably, but not as much as we tend to believe upon those ~80 hp specs on paper printed by the manufacturer.
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What Moto Bob has to say and show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DNO3TY3gbs
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Well - just to get pedantic - the V85 claimed 80 and this claimed 67 are BOTH claims at the crank so they are apples-to-apples.
And that's fine, they are different motors on multiple levels (as I mentioned earlier, valve trains, exhaust, probably lubrication as these were differences between the V85 and V7 Hemi Heads when I last checked). This iteration seems to come closer as it appears they've moved away from the earlier and smaller integral 38 mm throttle body to a new much larger 52 mm throttle body. So this version of the V7 should breath much better and be capable of more power.
We can talk peak numbers all we want, but that doesn't tell us what the power and torque curves look like.
The peaks occur at lower rpm than on the V85, which means a different feel. I generally prefer said feel which is why I didn't like the V85 motor when I rode it. But I understand others might prefer the V85 motor.
Either way, I expect this new version will be fun, but time (especially some seat time) will tell.
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I would rather have my 55 hp V9 than the 65 hp V9 / V9, and especially the 85TT engine. But not if I wanted the V7 Sport, because if I wanted a Sport, I would also want more top end power and a sportier character from the engine.
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Never implied all-out Sportbike, just something that beats the rest of the Guzzi lineup. That's not a very tall order. We're not talking hayabusa, 180hp, Aprilia numbers here etc.
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I would rather have my 55 hp V9 than the 65 hp V9 / V9, and especially the 85TT engine. But not if I wanted the V7 Sport, because if I wanted a Sport, I would also want more top end power and a sportier character from the engine.
Not me. Actually I spent the day on our M696 and though it's fun when things get randy it's tiresome the rest of the time. In contrast our V7's are great all the time and still fine when things get randy.
Never implied all-out Sportbike, just something that beats the rest of the Guzzi lineup. That's not a very tall order. We're not talking hayabusa, 180hp, Aprilia numbers here etc.
Actually that's a very tall order for an air cooled 850cc 2V pushrod motor.
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Great discussion guys. Here's my unaskedfor input. The "sport" in the name is an homage to the old sport, not a serious attempt at a sport bike. Would the V85 engine be cool in this bike, absolutely, but it may take some modifications of the frame and other parts for the extra torque and hp. The V7 series is also seriously limited in tire selection, would the current wheels/tires handle the v85 lump? Most people would still say it didn't have enough power. Then there is price. One of the attractive features of the V7s is their generally under $10,000 price. Would you pay $12,000 for a V7 even with 80 hp. The fellow who bought the BMW got a lot more HP for his bucks, the Triumph 1200 twins are much more powerful Horsepower is no longer my main metric but it is for many.
I’m really on board with this reasoning. The saving grace is that Guzzi has not seriously jumped into the horsepower game, so it doesn’t have to play.
There has been no challenge issued, so it doesn’t have to compete. The new liquid V100/Stelvios have dipped their toe in the water, but not totally seriously.
Here in Australia if you speed consistently, you WILL lose your licence in a matter of a couple of weeks tops, seriously these days ?
Less and less really care.
I don’t care if either of my bikes are moderately powered, as long as it’s not because they are sick.
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I would rather have my 55 hp V9 than the 65 hp V9 / V9, and especially the 85TT engine. But not if I wanted the V7 Sport, because if I wanted a Sport, I would also want more top end power and a sportier character from the engine.
Not me. Actually I spent the day on our M696 and though it's fun when things get randy it's tiresome the rest of the time. In contrast our V7's are great all the time and still fine when things get randy.
Actually that's a very tall order for an air cooled 850cc 2V pushrod motor.
Who said it had to be air cooled? The Moto Guzzi v100 will run circles around the rebadged regurgitated v7 "Sport". It's a joke
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Who said it had to be air cooled?
* Gasp *
The precious royal V7 Sport name should never go on a water cooled piece of heresy! < \ sarcasm >
The Moto Guzzi v100 will run circles around the rebadged regurgitated v7 "Sport". It's a joke
Who gives a shit. If you want a V100 buy one.
I don't want one.
I just want a smallblock with USD forks and dual discs.
Oh wait, they're making one.
That's AWESOME!
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Have a question for you guys that own a V7-850. I test ride a new V85 last week and was very impressed with how smooth it ran. I mean I had to look at the tack to tell how fast I was spinning the engine. Are all small blocks this smooth? I've only owned big blocks.
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Have a question for you guys that own a V7-850. I test ride a new V85 last week and was very impressed with how smooth it ran. I mean I had to look at the tack to tell how fast I was spinning the engine. Are all small blocks this smooth? I've only owned big blocks.
My V85 is like liquid.
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Have a question for you guys that own a V7-850. I test ride a new V85 last week and was very impressed with how smooth it ran. I mean I had to look at the tack to tell how fast I was spinning the engine. Are all small blocks this smooth? I've only owned big blocks.
Subjective - but no I think the other smallblocks have a bit more vibration at the grips.
Not as much as that Monster I was on for a few hours today but a bit more.
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It's not like the v7 lump has been sitting still, development wise over the last decade or so. When the original new age v7 came out , around 2010?, it was essentially the Breva 750 motor, which its self had been heavily massage by Aprillia in 04. As I recall it was rated at 48hp. And the poop I recall reading here about how "cool it was, but WTF 48hp??" Many a post went up with this comment, "man, I would buy one if it only made 60hp!"
And over time, with ever increasing pollution regulations, the hP and torque numbers continued an upward spiral!!. And now we find ourselves with a SB v7sport putting out 67hp!! That is a gain in HP, under huge regulations, mind you, of a hair short of 40%!! The v7 you buy today, has 40% more hp, than Kev's 2013 v7. Yet, still the wining goes on,"if only it made a 125hp I would snatch it up" blah blah. The bike is still really inexpensive by comparison to the comp. Find another western european made, 750cc or larger bike, with anything like the feel of a MG, for less than 10K US, you, can't.
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The first sport, early 70s, was the game changer This thing isn't competitive or new in any way. What a missed opportunity.
Come on............. NO Guzzi is going to be competitive from the spec sheet and sheer performance factor to anything in the current market except maybe the Enfields.... It's a classic roadster. Gizmos? Tech? That's not what Guzzi is about. What is it's direct competitor? Something from the Triumph Line? The Yama XSR 900? I'm not sure your expectations are realistic. Even the V100 which was groundbreaking for Guzzi is a middle of the road performer. The days of game changer are over my friend.
But this is a great performance advance for the V7 platform, and glad to see it is more than just another 'color scheme'. They've added some real performance and tech updates to the platform. I just wish it had a red frame and color matched rear fender, or brushed aluminum front and rear fenders, and Bi-Tubo or Matrix suspension, even an adjustable. I'm surprised it has the standard V7 handlebars, I'd have expected them to use the setup on the old V7 Racer, or at least as an option.
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The easy solution for those who complain about this V7 Sport not being legit is to simply buy an original V7 Sport… As the man in the movie said, “if you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up…”
Seriously, I wouldn’t read too much into this situation. this is just another name grab to sell bikes and stay in business. it’s pretty unlikely anyone is going to go “Oh boy!” and rush down to their local dealer to trade in their old V7 Sport for the brand new version. People pay for nostalgia, especially when it’s easier to use and cheaper to buy. There are probably even some people who don’t mind name dropping about what they have & having bystanders who overhear assume that means they own an original version.
MG clearly wasn’t trying to replicate the original bike very closely, even cosmetically. The first V7 Classic bike with triangular side cover, dual gauges and spoked wheels was a much more obvious styling rehash of the V7 Sport than this bike. So if MG had used those same details on this bike to look more authentic, critics would grumble that this new bike looks no different than the old V7 Classic.
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It's not like the v7 lump has been sitting still, development wise over the last decade or so. When the original new age v7 came out , around 2010?, it was essentially the Breva 750 motor, which its self had been heavily massage by Aprillia in 04. As I recall it was rated at 48hp. And the poop I recall reading here about how "cool it was, but WTF 48hp??" Many a post went up with this comment, "man, I would buy one if it only made 60hp!"
And over time, with ever increasing pollution regulations, the hP and torque numbers continued an upward spiral!!. And now we find ourselves with a SB v7sport putting out 67hp!! That is a gain in HP, under huge regulations, mind you, of a hair short of 40%!! The v7 you buy today, has 40% more hp, than Kev's 2013 v7. Yet, still the wining goes on,"if only it made a 125hp I would snatch it up" blah blah. The bike is still really inexpensive by comparison to the comp. Find another western european made, 750cc or larger bike, with anything like the feel of a MG, for less than 10K US, you, can't.
My only real whine is that the lightweight factor has been missing for a few years now. That used to be a big advantage and marketing point for the small blocks.
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* Gasp *
The precious royal V7 Sport name should never go on a water cooled piece of heresy! < \ sarcasm >
Who gives a shit. If you want a V100 buy one.
I don't want one.
I just want a smallblock with USD forks and dual discs.
Oh wait, they're making one.
That's AWESOME!
Lol
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Man oh man. Back and forth. Back and forth. It should have this or that. It doesn't have so and so. Doesn't anybody ride for the fun of it?
As for speed and HP, for YEARS I've seen good competent riders on Guzzi bikes keep up with ANYTHING in the tight stuff. Wanna be the first wanker down a 5 mile straight? Go ahead-takes almost zero skill. For cripes sake, I've seen guys on Guzzi bikes, especially a properly set up Norge completely DUST Ducati and BMW hotshots on the nasty stuff in the Carolina's.
I told you before. Hamlin has an unreal brake mod for a V7 that absolutely kills-one finger performance. You gotta have two disks? How about at LEAST all that power and half the weight? You know, for the go fast guys that gotta have it.
OK-rant over.
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Man oh man. Back and forth. Back and forth. It should have this or that. It doesn't have so and so. Doesn't anybody ride for the fun of it?
As for speed and HP, for YEARS I've seen good competent riders on Guzzi bikes keep up with ANYTHING in the tight stuff. Wanna be the first wanker down a 5 mile straight? Go ahead-takes almost zero skill. For cripes sake, I've seen guys on Guzzi bikes, especially a properly set up Norge completely DUST Ducati and BMW hotshots on the nasty stuff in the Carolina's.
I told you before. Hamlin has an unreal brake mod for a V7 that absolutely kills-one finger performance. You gotta have two disks? How about at LEAST all that power and half the weight? You know, for the go fast guys that gotta have it.
OK-rant over.
I’ll come on board and admit it doesn’t “need” two discs KoF, but I’ll go on record as saying I want two of them because I like the look…”
If it makes me happy it’s worth the money, but I would not try to convince anyone that it’s a necessity, it’s a want.
Also I’ll admit it makes no sense, but when have motorbikes ever made sense ?
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And now we find ourselves with a SB v7sport putting out 67hp!! .. Find another western european made, 750cc or larger bike..
The crux of the matter; what cc is the V7sport?
My only real whine is that the lightweight factor has been missing for a few years now. That used to be a big advantage and marketing point for the small blocks.
Absolutely.
I'd love a smaller, lighter 750 Breva at a sensible price. :weiner:
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The older I get, the more the real thrills are coming from "reliability" and "affordability" and the less I agonize over being "competitive".
There's always something and someone younger and faster out there.
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I’m really on board with this reasoning. The saving grace is that Guzzi has not seriously jumped into the horsepower game, so it doesn’t have to play.
There has been no challenge issued, so it doesn’t have to compete. The new liquid V100/Stelvios have dipped their toe in the water, but not totally seriously.
Here in Australia if you speed consistently, you WILL lose your licence in a matter of a couple of weeks tops, seriously these days ?
Less and less really care.
I don’t care if either of my bikes are moderately powered, as long as it’s not because they are sick.
I agree with that Huzo but Guzzi already marketed a limp wristed "Racer" on virtually the same platform and now have come up with a 67 hp "Sport". If that's not BS then what is ???!!!!
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I agree with that Huzo but Guzzi already marketed a limp wristed "Racer" on virtually the same platform and now have come up with a 67 hp "Sport". If that's not BS then what is ???!!!!
I think it’s offered as a homage to the old one FF.
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I wonder, just for turds and giggles, which would be faster in a drag race. The original v7sport or the the new one?
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I'm in for the long term. When I buy either the Stone or the Sport, it will be a "20 year" bike just like my Breva has been. I'll set it up for touring, and I'm sort of pleased it doesn't have the bars of the old racer, which while being a gorgeous looking bike, was not my idea of a long distance bike. Cruise control? Yep great idea. I tell ya the M5 is pretty boring from Plymouth to Bristol.....and the M6 to Scotland doesn't offer a lot of thrills....
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I think it’s offered as a homage to the old one FF.
I think the top of the range Mandello would have been more appropriate Huzo.
It's no big deal and that little bike is sweet, also an improvement to the range.It's just the name that irks a bit with me...in fact I find it as laughable as many did when the "Racer " was named.No biggie though....
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I wonder, just for turds and giggles, which would be faster in a drag race. The original v7sport or the the new one?
It's pretty hilarious (sad?) to even consider needing a drag race to find out if a modern 850cc can outrun it's 54 yro 750cc grandpa.
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I'm curious too, couldn't find a 1/4 mile time for a V7 850 E5.
This article claims a 13.9 sec quarter mile on the original V7 Sport (750).
https://classictwowheels.com.au/1971-1974-moto-guzzi-v7-sport/
CycleWorld put a 2012 V7 Racer (750) at 14.35 sec and others put various editions from 2009-2015 at 13.5 - 14.8 seconds.
https://www.cycleworld.com/2012/09/20/retrograde-triumph-thruxton-vs-moto-guzzi-v7-racer/
https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/moto-guzzi-0-60-mph-times/fast-slow-quarter-mile/
Anyone have drag time on the V7 850 E5?
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I'm curious too, couldn't find a 1/4 mile time for a V7 850 E5.
This article claims a 13.9 sec quarter mile on the original V7 Sport (750).
https://classictwowheels.com.au/1971-1974-moto-guzzi-v7-sport/
CycleWorld put a 2012 V7 Racer (750) at 14.35 sec and others put various editions from 2009-2015 at 13.5 - 14.8 seconds.
https://www.cycleworld.com/2012/09/20/retrograde-triumph-thruxton-vs-moto-guzzi-v7-racer/
https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/moto-guzzi-0-60-mph-times/fast-slow-quarter-mile/
Anyone have drag time on the V7 850 E5?
1/4 mile time for the original V7 Sport sounds about right. My ‘76 LeMans has done a 1/4er in 13 seconds flat at 103 and top speed of over 130. One site lists the 2020 V85 at 13.4 in the 1/4er and a top speed of 118 mph. I think the 2025 might be a bit quicker if not faster. Might have to find out next summer.
https://fastestlaps.com/models/moto-guzzi-v85-tt
Pete
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It's pretty hilarious (sad?) to even consider needing a drag race to find out if a modern 850cc can outrun it's 54 yro 750cc grandpa.
It is rather daft, but in my opinion so are these conversations! I only purpose it, as the original has been referred to as cutting edge for the time, a time with zero emission regulations. So one wonders, could a modern air cooled Guzzi, with about a 12%cc advantage, but burdened with the worlds most strict emissions to date, out run the 7v?
The only reference to a quarter mile time I was able to find was in Greg Field's book, Moto Guzzi Big Twins (an excellent read by the way) where an early v7 sport, (not sure if it was the vaunted Telaio Rosso which was essentially a hand built racing version of the v7 or the more pedestrian black/silver frame production bike) Motorcycle Mechanics ran it through the QT in 13.2 seconds, March 72 issue.
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It's pretty hilarious (sad?) to even consider needing a drag race to find out if a modern 850cc can outrun it's 54 yro 750cc grandpa.
The sad part is that grandpa would likely kick the kids butt, particularly 750 vs 750. With any luck the 850 might give it a race. They are both two valve pushrod motors. Only advantage a modern motor has is fuel injection and maybe better intake flow.
Pete
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It is rather daft, but in my opinion so are these conversations! I only purpose it, as the original has been referred to as cutting edge for the time, a time with zero emission regulations.
The emission regulation does not hamper power output significantly. The CBX made a claimed 105 PS back in 1978, the then most powerful streetbike. Today, the CBR1000RR-R make 217 PS in street legal trim. There is no doubt that one can make an air cooled 850 cc V-twin that produce a reliable 100 PS while meeting all noise and emission regulations. But the market would be very slim; people looking for (relatively) high performance air cooled motorcycles consist of a very limited number of people.
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If we're gonna play this silly game the previous WG thread I posted had a ~50 HP rating for the original V7.
Now Todd @ GTM had the V7 850 with pipes and tune up to 71 rwhp back in 2022, that's with the old smaller throttle body.
He had the V85 up to 80 rwhp with the larger 52 mm throttle body like the new models are getting.
So remove the emissions penalty and we're talking ~70-75 hp for the new one vs 50 HP for the original.
But again all this angst over a name is really ridiculous.
I don't care what you call it, I just know I want to add one to the collection.
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The emission regulation does not hamper power output significantly. The CBX made a claimed 105 PS back in 1978, the then most powerful streetbike. Today, the CBR1000RR-R make 217 PS in street legal trim. There is no doubt that one can make an air cooled 850 cc V-twin that produce a reliable 100 PS while meeting all noise and emission regulations. But the market would be very slim; people looking for (relatively) high performance air cooled motorcycles consist of a very limited number of people.
You completely failed to make your argument there.
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The emission regulation does not hamper power output significantly. The CBX made a claimed 105 PS back in 1978, the then most powerful streetbike. Today, the CBR1000RR-R make 217 PS in street legal trim. There is no doubt that one can make an air cooled 850 cc V-twin that produce a reliable 100 PS while meeting all noise and emission regulations. But the market would be very slim; people looking for (relatively) high performance air cooled motorcycles consist of a very limited number of people.
Exactly. Guzzi is already a very niche market catering to boomers and new riders but I think a real Sport would do well with Guzzisti who remember when they had a lot more soul.
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You completely failed to make your argument there.
OK. Please explain.
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Americans are not usually known for their sense of humour, but this is a bit funny.
Or at least funnier than anything coming from over there in the last three days…
All the drag race comparison stuff reminds me of two schoolyard boys…
“My Dad can whoop your Dad…!”
To even bring power figures into the argument is infantile anyway, the most powerful street Guzzi made, is still a lily livered piece of anaemic crap in the spectrum of Sportbike performance.
If I was attempting to extol the virtues of any Guzzi, timesheet results would be the last area I’d delve into… :popcorn:
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OK. Please explain.
You explain how your comparison of a 1978 air-cooled 6-cyl CBX to a liquid-cooled inline 4 CBR says anything about an 850cc air cooled V-twin making 100 HP and meeting current regulations?
Even the Ducatis and BMWs in that size range fall shy. And to get close they are running maintenance intensive/expensive designs.
That's about as relevant to Guzzi as a turbo-charged Alfa Romeo.
Jenn and I just happened to spend some time looking at a showroom full of both those brands yesterday and a half dozen other brands. We would be hard pressed to find bikes we would want.
Even if it could be done the result wouldn't resemble what most people seem to want in a Guzzi, especially me.
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To even bring power figures into the argument is infantile anyway, the most powerful street Guzzi made, is still a lily livered piece of anaemic crap in the spectrum of Sportbike performance.
If I was attempting to extol the virtues of any Guzzi, timesheet results would be the last area I’d delve into… :popcorn:
That's awesome. Just don't call it a v7 sport. Because the, real, v7 sport had a very virtuous timesheet when new.
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Well, decided by Piaggio, the owner of Moto Guzzi, it is called the V7 Sport and they have the authority to call it that.
It happens to all brands and models that evolve or are brought back. Trust that there are plenty of Harley-Davidson, Royal Enfield, Triumph, Honda, Kawasaki, etc enthusiasts who have also been put off by old model names being re-applied to later models.
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(https://i.ibb.co/MZRP0nv/IMG-5593.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MZRP0nv)
Here’s the real deal. The new one will smoke it, and stop better. But it’s not the same. Nothing like the OG.
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Well, decided by Piaggio, the owner of Moto Guzzi, it is called the V7 Sport and they have the authority to call it that.
It happens to all brands and models that evolve or are brought back. Trust that there are plenty of Harley-Davidson, Royal Enfield, Triumph, Honda, Kawasaki, etc enthusiasts who have also been put off by old model names being re-applied to later models.
Edit "enthusiasts" to say "dumbasses" and you're spot on. :boozing:
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You explain how your comparison of a 1978 air-cooled 6-cyl CBX to a liquid-cooled inline 4 CBR says anything about an 850cc air cooled V-twin making 100 HP and meeting current regulations?
Even the Ducatis and BMWs in that size range fall shy. And to get close they are running maintenance intensive/expensive designs.
That's about as relevant to Guzzi as a turbo-charged Alfa Romeo.
I will give you a point there, and I will stop beating the dead horse soon, but the Ducati 796 made 88 PS and had a 12,000 km service interval. The Guzzi 85TT make 80 PS and is not tuned to the hilt. I am not saying a 100 PS 850 would be the best option, or something I would want, only that it is possible. And at least a 2024 850 should be significantly more powerful, frugal and reliable than a 750 made 50+ years ago.
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I'm pretty sure they could get 100 by 4 valving the 850 and lightening all moving parts and if there is any room, punching it out a little. But would it feel like the bikes we are used to and say we love? That extra HP would be up high and come at the expense of the bike being less torquey down low. Do we really want a Guzzi with a 10,000 rpm redline? What cost for a bike that won't sell 5,000 copies worldwide in a year? I am sure that Piaggio can do math.
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I don’t think anyone expects or is asking for a sportbike from the small block range. But the word ‘sport’ meant something. Just like the word scrambler. Cafe. SUV. Adventure. Le Mans. Trials. This is beating a dead horse, I know, but also—Guzzi sure does like to recycle the same words, seemingly a lot more than other brands, but perhaps not. Most of them do it, but just as much?
I do think it’s funny that we’re still pushing the “V7” monicker, when we’re now in the—2nd? 3rd?—iteration of the E5 850cc motor. But hey, I guess it could be worse—we could be Funduro owners.
Maybe I am out of touch here, but to me Sport doesn't mean HP. To me Sport means handling. Sport tuned Suspension. Sporty riding position. Brakes able to bring the speeds down at the last secon and not fade durung the ride.Anyone can go fast in a straight line, and power doesn't make you faster in the twisties.
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I will give you a point there, and I will stop beating the dead horse soon, but the Ducati 796 made 88 PS and had a 12,000 km service interval. The Guzzi 85TT make 80 PS and is not tuned to the hilt. I am not saying a 100 PS 850 would be the best option, or something I would want, only that it is possible. And at least a 2024 850 should be significantly more powerful, frugal and reliable than a 750 made 50+ years ago.
I do hear those who like more peaky HP and want something more lively. But even if they COULD do that, I completely get why they are not based on the character/feel of the bike.
That said I will continue to point out that your 100 HP figure for an air-cooled 850 and modern emissions (possibly even ignoring emissions) is just out of reach based on the fact that no one is doing it. Hell they aren't even coming close.
Arguably the closest you get from another OEM is the 73 HP 800cc air cooled desmo Scrambler. But desmo service costs are a significant differential. Trust me we just dropped off Jenn's Monster for a complete service that is so expensive that if we do it 3 times we will have bought the bike twice!
BMW has a 110 HP air-cooled twin (R9T and now R12), but they are 4V/cylinder, also more work for maintenance, and most importantly 1200cc
Triumph has the liquid cooled, shim/bucket valve train 900cc T100 and it's only 64 HP.
Hell even the V85 is only 80 HP for a reason. And I'm going in the record one last time saying I don't really like that bike or motor. It felt too much like my wife's Ducati.
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I do hear those who like more peaky HP and want something more lively. But even if they COULD do that, I completely get why they are not based on the character/feel of the bike.
That said I will continue to point out that your 100 HP figure for an air-cooled 850 and modern emissions (possibly even ignoring emissions) is just out of reach based on the fact that no one is doing it. Hell they aren't even coming close.
Arguably the closest you get from another OEM is the 73 HP 800cc air cooled desmo Scrambler. But desmo service costs are a significant differential. Trust me we just dropped off Jenn's Monster for a complete service that is so expensive that if we do it 3 times we will have bought the bike twice!
BMW has a 110 HP air-cooled twin (R9T and now R12), but they are 4V/cylinder, also more work for maintenance, and most importantly 1200ccP
Triumph has the liquid cooled, shim/bucket valve train 900cc T100 and it's only 64 HP.
Hell even the V85 is only 80 HP for a reason. And I'm going in the record one last time saying I don't really like that bike or motor. It felt too much like my wife's Ducati.
They actually reduced the Hp on my 2022, but supposedly give a little more torque lower in the Rev Range. It is now 76 hp.
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They actually reduced the Hp on my 2022, but supposedly give a little more torque lower in the Rev Range. It is now 76 hp.
Yeah but they've rated it back to 80 since ... No idea on the details in each case.
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I do hear those who like more peaky HP and want something more lively. But even if they COULD do that, I completely get why they are not based on the character/feel of the bike.
That said I will continue to point out that your 100 HP figure for an air-cooled 850 and modern emissions (possibly even ignoring emissions) is just out of reach based on the fact that no one is doing it. Hell they aren't even coming close.
Arguably the closest you get from another OEM is the 73 HP 800cc air cooled desmo Scrambler. But desmo service costs are a significant differential. Trust me we just dropped off Jenn's Monster for a complete service that is so expensive that if we do it 3 times we will have bought the bike twice!
BMW has a 110 HP air-cooled twin (R9T and now R12), but they are 4V/cylinder, also more work for maintenance, and most importantly 1200cc
Triumph has the liquid cooled, shim/bucket valve train 900cc T100 and it's only 64 HP.
Hell even the V85 is only 80 HP for a reason. And I'm going in the record one last time saying I don't really like that bike or motor. It felt too much like my wife's Ducati.
I hear ya Kev but with the exhaust replaced and decat my 2023 V85 has a lot of character and might be close to the hp/torque figures on the 2025 model. Don't know the butt dyno as I haven’t ridden a 2025 model but I will. Still, the older V9 lump is still one of, if not the best motors Guzzi ever produced imho.
Oh and let’s not forget the sound/rumble of a well sorted Guzzi with proper exhaust etc. Glorious and manly too. Lol
inditx
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I think if I wanted a Guzzi sporty bike, I already have it. 92 rwhp, handles like it's on rails, great for sport touring and rally going, big air cooled motor, great riding position. A little heavy but disappears underway. Just have to go back in time 27 years.
Just can't seem to like the look of the v7 series.
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I think it is sad that most commentary on this is negative. I'm as tired as anyone of Guzzi slapping colors on the same bike (V7/9 as anyone, but to finally see twin discs, adjustable reverse front forks, sport mode to go along with the new TBW throttle that effects the cornering ABS, and several other changes and improvements over the standard v7 line.
I see people saying it doesn't deserve the name, but given modern realties and constraints, what WOULD make it worthy of the V7 sport moniker??
I know the original V7 Sport has cult following, but if wager compared to the UJMs of its day, it too was a mediocre performer.
Nothing game changing for sure, but looks to me to be the best iteration of the modern V7 line, even if it doesn't have a red frame or color matched rear fender. :cool: Sure, the 52mm TB, lighter valve train and 80hp motor from the V85 may have made the Sport more distinct, but......
Embrace it and be happy they are investing in the air cooled motors and doing more than just a design color scheme on the V7
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Nothing game changing for sure, but looks to me to be the best iteration of the modern V7 line, even if it doesn't have a red frame or color matched rear fender. :cool: Sure, the 52mm TB, lighter valve train and 80hp motor from the V85 may have made the Sport more distinct, but......
Fwiw it DID get the 52 mm throttle body. I was pleasantly surprised by that.
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I know the original V7 Sport has cult following, but if wager compared to the UJMs of its day, it too was a mediocre performer.
How much you want to to wager?
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How much you want to to wager?
Cam already weighed in on his.
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I do hear those who like more peaky HP and want something more lively. But even if they COULD do that, I completely get why they are not based on the character/feel of the bike.
That said I will continue to point out that your 100 HP figure for an air-cooled 850 and modern emissions (possibly even ignoring emissions) is just out of reach based on the fact that no one is doing it. Hell they aren't even coming close.
Arguably the closest you get from another OEM is the 73 HP 800cc air cooled desmo Scrambler. But desmo service costs are a significant differential. Trust me we just dropped off Jenn's Monster for a complete service that is so expensive that if we do it 3 times we will have bought the bike twice!
BMW has a 110 HP air-cooled twin (R9T and now R12), but they are 4V/cylinder, also more work for maintenance, and most importantly 1200cc
Triumph has the liquid cooled, shim/bucket valve train 900cc T100 and it's only 64 HP.
Hell even the V85 is only 80 HP for a reason. And I'm going in the record one last time saying I don't really like that bike or motor. It felt too much like my wife's Ducati.
Kev,
It pained me to give up my Eldorado because I loved the HP. But the weight of the bike was getting to me. At 76 I wanted a lighter bike but I didn't want to give up the HP. Thus I bought the BMW R12. I wished the MG had something comparable, comfortable and with a low seat height. At least I'm still on an air/oil cooled machine.
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The MG website seems a bit confusing. It mentions the new V7s have the 850 motor taken from the V85tt but still lists max HP at 65??? Also photos of the motor appear to be similar to the V7 and not the V85 at least in regards to the valve covers.
I am not a buyer here but a V7 with the 80 HP motor and appearance more like the 1000S with stripped gas tank and chrome exhausts would fly off the dealers floors. At least be competitive with some of the middleweight sport bikes.
Pete
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The R12R is a nice ride!
What year did you get?
Inditx
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Cam already weighed in on his.
Cam? You either can't read or need to up your trifocal prescription.
"MEDIOCRE COMPARED TO UJMS OF IT'S DAY"
That's a stretch for the first production motorcycle to top 200kmh. No Guzzi since that time has ever been as close to the top of the world motorcycle pile since the first Sport. Not the Lemans, Daytona, mgs01. The new v7s have be moved to the bottom of the pile with all the other retros aimed at boomers, women and beginners
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That said I will continue to point out that your 100 HP figure for an air-cooled 850 and modern emissions (possibly even ignoring emissions) is just out of reach based on the fact that no one is doing it. Hell they aren't even coming close.
Arguably the closest you get from another OEM is the 73 HP 800cc air cooled desmo Scrambler. But desmo service costs are a significant differential. Trust me we just dropped off Jenn's Monster for a complete service that is so expensive that if we do it 3 times we will have bought the bike twice!
BMW has a 110 HP air-cooled twin (R9T and now R12), but they are 4V/cylinder, also more work for maintenance, and most importantly 1200cc
Triumph has the liquid cooled, shim/bucket valve train 900cc T100 and it's only 64 HP.
Hell even the V85 is only 80 HP for a reason. And I'm going in the record one last time saying I don't really like that bike or motor. It felt too much like my wife's Ducati.
"The 2013 Moto Guzzi Griso 1200 8V SE with its 1,151cc four-stroke air-cooled V-twin engine delivers an output power of 110 hp" (but admittedly didn't meet modern emissions standards)
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The Griso you reference also was a 4V motor.
The v7 sport was competitive, for a short time in endurance racing. What it wasn't, was a massive advantage over the competition. (once again see G Field's book MG Big Twins.
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Kev,
It pained me to give up my Eldorado because I loved the HP. But the weight of the bike was getting to me. At 76 I wanted a lighter bike but I didn't want to give up the HP. Thus I bought the BMW R12. I wished the MG had something comparable, comfortable and with a low seat height. At least I'm still on an air/oil cooled machine.
when you ride the R12 how often are you revving to 6,000 RPMs? Every shift? 10% of the time? Somewhere else?
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Cam? You either can't read or need to up your trifocal prescription.
"MEDIOCRE COMPARED TO UJMS OF IT'S DAY"
Please try to keep up. Yes Cam, the person who posted a pic of his V7 Sport, the same one that I've ridden, who I'm saying also seems to support Steve's (Bulldog's) assertions.
The MG website seems a bit confusing. It mentions the new V7s have the 850 motor taken from the V85tt but still lists max HP at 65??? Also photos of the motor appear to be similar to the V7 and not the V85 at least in regards to the valve covers.
Don't be fooled by marketing speak. It's similar size and basic architecture but obviously not the whole actual V85 mill.
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"The 2013 Moto Guzzi Griso 1200 8V SE with its 1,151cc four-stroke air-cooled V-twin engine delivers an output power of 110 hp" (but admittedly didn't meet modern emissions standards)
This didn't contradict anything I've said. It takes 1200cc and 4V heads at minimum with modern emissions on an air-cooled motor. 850 is not enough
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when you ride the R12 how often are you revving to 6,000 RPMs? Every shift? 10% of the time? Somewhere else?
Obviously it is not necessary to rev 6,000 RPM to shift. But having a four valve engine give me the torque curve I desire.
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Obviously it is not necessary to rev 6,000 RPM to shift. But having a four valve engine give me the torque curve I desire.
So, it is not about HP. It is about torque. 6000 RPMs is where you get your peak HP on the R12 according to my internet search.
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So, it is not about HP. It is about torque. 6000 RPMs is where you get your peak HP on the R12 according to my internet search.
Their homepage say 95 PS @ 6500 rpm and 110 Nm @ 6000 rpm.
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Their homepage say 95 PS @ 6500 rpm and 110 Nm @ 6000 rpm.
So unless you are running at those RPMs you are not using 95 HP or 110 Nm of torque.
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"I can't stop Honey, someone is wrong on the internet!"
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So unless you are running at those RPMs you are not using 95 HP or 110 Nm of torque.
Unless the throttle is pinned, the engine will not make those numbers at those rpm anyway - at 6500 rpm the engine can make anything between 0 and 95 horsepower - but you will be correct in assuming that above or below those rpm numbers, the engine's potential is less than the maximum figures listed.
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Off thread here, ff73148 says he likes the torque curve of the R12R.
Now let’s return to our original V7 Sport (gasp) thread. :popcorn:
inditx
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Off thread here, ff73148 says he likes the torque curve of the R12R.
Now let’s return to our original V7 Sport (gasp) thread. :popcorn:
inditx
Or maybe we run with it as part of the same discussion.
What makes a bike enjoyable? It's the HP/torque curves. A race bike can be all peak if it's run mostly at wot, but a street bike is often more fun with a wider and flatter curve.
But tastes vary.
Me? I don't need the peaks as much as I want the broad and flat curve.
But 4V motors can give both. So I get why that R12 or Griso can be so much fun.
I really enjoy the efficiency and size of the smallblock so I'm less concerned with peak numbers.
Fwiw the new V7 Sport reportedly is up to 58 ft lbs of torque @ 4400 rpm (compared to the 53 @ 5000 of the previous 850).
So that's encouraging already, but maybe more importantly MG is claiming that you get 95% of that by 3500 rpm which suggests a nice flat usable curve. But we'll see once someone puts one on a dyno.
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So that torque availability should be more like the 2025 V85 with vvt then supposedly.
inditx
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So that torque availability should be more like the 2025 V85 with vvt then supposedly.
inditx
Maybe. Google AI suggests it. I haven't ridden a V85 since they first came out. Maybe I'd like later models better.
Google AI says this about it:
Performance
The V85 TT's engine produces 80 horsepower and 61.2 ft-lbs of torque. 90% of its torque is available at 3,500 rpm, and there's a 5–10% increase in torque between 3,000 and 4,500 rpm compared to the previous model.
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https://www.motoguzzi.com/us_EN/landing-page/news/?utm_source=dem&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=eicma_news&utm_content=discover&utm_marketing_tacti c=prospecting
I didn't catch in this convoluted thread that the new V7 Sport also comes with cruise control.
That makes it even more interesting for a lightweight touring bike.
I love my two Moto Guzzi bikes and couldn't see replacing either one though.
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Yes the entire 2025 V7 range now have cruise and engine upgrades so you're right they will make even better light weight tourers. In addition the Sport gets different forks, IMU for cornering ABS, a sport riding mode, and dual rotors.
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Cam? You either can't read or need to up your trifocal prescription.
"MEDIOCRE COMPARED TO UJMS OF IT'S DAY"
That's a stretch for the first production motorcycle to top 200kmh. No Guzzi since that time has ever been as close to the top of the world motorcycle pile since the first Sport. Not the Lemans, Daytona, mgs01. The new v7s have be moved to the bottom of the pile with all the other retros aimed at boomers, women and beginners
Easy there "New Egg" The original V7 was a great bike for Guzzi, and likely launched the factory Café Racer, opened the door for the LeMans, etc, but it was a Guzzi and on the margins. "WE" may feel differently, but the rest of the MC world was 'meh' because Guzzi never stands out on the specs. Not an insult, not a slight on a Marque I love, just Simple reality. Chill out, no need to be the turd in the punchbowl.......... .....
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Easy there "New Egg" The original V7 was a great bike for Guzzi, and likely launched the factory Café Racer, opened the door for the LeMans, etc, but it was a Guzzi and on the margins. "WE" may feel differently, but the rest of the MC world was 'meh' because Guzzi never stands out on the specs. Not an insult, not a slight on a Marque I love, just Simple reality. Chill out, no need to be the turd in the punchbowl.......... .....
But didn’t the V7 Sport and early Le Mans win a few enduro races (or at least finished respectfully)?
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I am not a buyer here but a V7 with the 80 HP motor and appearance more like the 1000S with stripped gas tank and chrome exhausts would fly off the dealers floors. At least be competitive with some of the middleweight sport bikes.
Pete
Pete, I agree, I love that look. Guzzi is feeling Nostalgic, so we will see what they do with the V100 platform. The California is due out soon, and how hard would it be to do away with the slit/integrated lights and fairing of the Mandello and Stelvio and go with a larger traditional tank like the 1000S or V7 had and more classic styling?
But the way they are developing the V7, someone could easily do their own paint and sticker project with an exhaust and maybe handlebar swap out on a new V7 850 and have a great bike with a throwback look. Or now that they FINALLY are doing a decent front fork and dual discs up front, this may be a special model next year, or something like it. Without a displacement bump they couldn't really call it the 1000S, but why not am 850S ? Why not also throw the fairing from the Corsa and a rear seat Cowl and relaunch the Lemans 850?
I'm on the fence with what I want to do moving forward. I have a great little collection, all free and clear. I also am hopelessly enamored with the CARC bikes. Will likely do so until they are too heavy. All in all, I am happy with the direction Guzzi is going and how they are keeping the Air Cooled bikes alive with more than cosmetic gimmicks and paint schemes.
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But didn’t the V7 Sport and early Le Mans win a few enduro races (or at least finished respectfully)?
Great bikes, and legendary, but I'm just saying, Guzzi never really 'caught' or dominated. How many people even remember the original V7 Sport? VERY FEW, it is the 850 LeMans that everyone remembers, and by 76 and on, the IL4 UJMs began to dominate. Still, I'd love a pristine original V7 Sport, and may not be able to resist the new once it starts to hit the used market.
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Great bikes, and legendary, but I'm just saying, Guzzi never really 'caught' or dominated. How many people even remember the original V7 Sport? VERY FEW.....
I'm one of the few. In 1975 I traded in a pristine 1974 CB 750 on a new leftover 1973 V7 Sport. That Honda was about as good as it got for Japanese bikes back then but the V7 was far ahead of it. The Honda suspension was so stiff it rode like an empty dump truck, yet the chassis, suspension or both could let it get out of kilter on fast sweepers. Suspension, paint, chrome, and fasteners on the V7 were better quality. The V7 was also more powerful and faster and unlike the Honda it had a nice hit when it came on the cam.
I still can recall (shortly after trading) riding the V7 up the same brick street I had often taken with the Honda and it was so smooth! On the Honda it literally tried to shake my fillings out.
No it didn't catch on and dominate but not because it wasn't a better performer for its time, it was for other reasons. It was a limited production and quite expensive motorcycle from a small European manufacturer that often struggled financially. By 1973 if you wanted even more speed there was Kawasaki's Z1 but it still was just another UJM of the time when it came to handling and suspension.
Guzzi's new V100 series can't even compete in performance with the top stuff from Japan and other Euro manufacturers now and their V7 series is substantially down in performance relative to the V100. But my V100 Stelvio has more power than I really need, and the air-cooled V7 line (which has similar performance to the original V7 Sport) has plenty enough for most needs.
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Ahh yes, the passage of time has a warm toasty effect on many of our memories.
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I love the "Guzzi can't compete with xxx on xxx or yyy" stuff. Someone still has to show me where it makes a difference where it matters-in the fun stuff.
I rode with a LOT of very well qualified hotshots when I lived back east. I'm quick at best-these guys were way too fast for me. Point is, the guy leading the pack every time is on a Guzzi. KTM's, BMW's, and all the rest following. Every time.
Wanna win the 2 mile straightaway race? Big deal. No slight intended or inferred to above comments. HP and all the other marketing stuff is nonsense best left to bench racers. Watching a guy on a Stelvio (not the new one) absolutely DUST "hot shoe" at The Dragon is very humbling-to the shoe!
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Great bikes, and legendary, but I'm just saying, Guzzi never really 'caught' or dominated. How many people even remember the original V7 Sport? VERY FEW, it is the 850 LeMans that everyone remembers, and by 76 and on, the IL4 UJMs began to dominate. Still, I'd love a pristine original V7 Sport, and may not be able to resist the new once it starts to hit the used market.
In 1976 Guzzi was very much in the hunt. Daytona only had four Japanese bikes in the top ten.
https://riderfiles.wordpress.com/2014/04/30/1976-ama-superbike-results/
Pete
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You're being a bit misleading Pete. Yes, Kawasaki had 4 bikes in the top ten. How many did Moto Guzzi have? One. It finished a respectable 5th. I may be wrong, but I think 1976 was the first, and last year that Guzzi was competitive in Super Bike.
Anyone know what type of Guzzi's were being run in Super Bike in 76?
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Guzzi did win one of the races in 76,so they were definitely competitive to the best around .
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Until they stop blacking everything out and put some nice paint on it, it will still have that “army surplus “ look.
I like the styling direction, but we know that owners will want to tour on it, so where’s the real world suitable fairing ?
If they threw away the black paint that they hit everything with and went with absolute replica green from the original V7 of yesteryear, along with the white accents on the tank ?
It’d be moving in the right direction…
They still look so…drab. (They’ll get away with some avant garde styling because it’s a wog hog).
Gold forks…(Ohlins lookalikes or optional $$$ real ones).
Wire wheels/ polished rims.
Raw aluminium engine/gearbox/swingarm/reardrive.
Nicer stainless headers with stainless mufflers.
I do like the curvy nature of the styling, not that apologetic slash cut, insect trend they are lamely trying to copy with the Stelvio, (although I could still fall for one…)
The vomit inducing KTM stuff is just optical drivel for children, the good thing is they are only on the road for a few hours before they are back at the dealers for a rebuild, so we are relatively safe.
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The first sport, early 70s, was the game changer This thing isn't competitive or new in any way. What a missed opportunity.
What does “competitive” actually mean and who is competing ? 90% of us are mediocre riders and are mature enough to admit so, the days of vicariously measuring our appendages through our motorcycle choices are gone…
Old farts like to ride on nice days with life long friends, have a nice dinner, sleep in a nice bed and a shower.
The styling accents need to remind us of earlier days.
I used to be tough and ruthless…
Now ?
I’m rough and toothless… :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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You're being a bit misleading Pete. Yes, Kawasaki had 4 bikes in the top ten. How many did Moto Guzzi have? One. It finished a respectable 5th. I may be wrong, but I think 1976 was the first, and last year that Guzzi was competitive in Super Bike.
Anyone know what type of Guzzi's were being run in Super Bike in 76?
Seems to me Dr John and Mike Baldwin were winning races into the early 80s as well.
Guzzi will likely never have a superbike or motoGP, doesn’t mean today it can’t keep up in the twisties with most bikes today. I don’t recall ever being last to the next tavern as recently as ten years ago on my ‘76 850.
Pete
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Until they stop blacking everything out and put some nice paint on it, it will still have that “army surplus “ look.
I like the styling direction, but we know that owners will want to tour on it, so where’s the real world suitable fairing ?
If they threw away the black paint that they hit everything with and went with absolute replica green from the original V7 of yesteryear, along with the white accents on the tank ?
It’d be moving in the right direction…
They still look so…drab. (They’ll get away with some avant garde styling because it’s a wog hog).
Gold forks…(Ohlins lookalikes or optional $$$ real ones).
Wire wheels/ polished rims.
Raw aluminium engine/gearbox/swingarm/reardrive.
Nicer stainless headers with stainless mufflers.
I WANT NOTHING that you said there - NOTHING.
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I WANT NOTHING that you said there - NOTHING.
Fair enough Kev, did you used to own a Breva ?
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Until they stop blacking everything out and put some nice paint on it, it will still have that “army surplus “ look.
I like the styling direction, but we know that owners will want to tour on it, so where’s the real world suitable fairing ?
If they threw away the black paint that they hit everything with and went with absolute replica green from the original V7 of yesteryear, along with the white accents on the tank ?
It’d be moving in the right direction…
They still look so…drab. (They’ll get away with some avant garde styling because it’s a wog hog).
Gold forks…(Ohlins lookalikes or optional $$$ real ones).
Wire wheels/ polished rims.
Raw aluminium engine/gearbox/swingarm/reardrive.
Nicer stainless headers with stainless mufflers......
The vomit inducing KTM stuff is just optical drivel for children, the good thing is they are only on the road for a few hours before they are back at the dealers for a rebuild, so we are relatively safe.
Yep I agree with everything but spoke wheels. Perhaps tubeless spoke wheels as an option.
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Until they stop blacking everything out and put some nice paint on it, it will still have that “army surplus “ look.
I like the styling direction, but we know that owners will want to tour on it, so where’s the real world suitable fairing ?
If they threw away the black paint that they hit everything with and went with absolute replica green from the original V7 of yesteryear, along with the white accents on the tank ?
It’d be moving in the right direction…
They still look so…drab. (They’ll get away with some avant garde styling because it’s a wog hog).
Gold forks…(Ohlins lookalikes or optional $$$ real ones).
Wire wheels/ polished rims.
Raw aluminium engine/gearbox/swingarm/reardrive.
Nicer stainless headers with stainless mufflers.
IMO, there will never be a need to market a naked standard with panniers straight out of the factory. That’s not the point of naked bikes (but it’s exactly what the Guzzi accessories catalog is for, especially for these budget bikes). Besides, I’m not sure the V7 in general is ever marketed as a ‘go anywhere’ machine; that’s normally relegated to the ADV, cruiser, and tourer categories.
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The most rewarding ride I ever did was on a bike that was totally unsuitable for the task. The bike was 30% up to the task and I made up the other 80%.
That’s where the fun was….(Here we go).
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The most rewarding ride I ever did was on a bike that was totally unsuitable for the task. The bike was 30% up to the task and I made up the other 80%.
That’s where the fun was….(Here we go).
Agreed. I wasn’t saying it can’t—naked standards ARE indeed the go-anywhere bikes as I see them. All I’m saying is that the time has long moved on from marketing them as such, as the manufacturers prefer to throw bags onto cruisers, ADVs, and porkier standards as such cross-country travelers.
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Over the last few years I hear and read about a number of older riders, as well as women and others, asking for a mid weight bike to tour on. Could a Guzzi V7 "California" be successful? I'm just asking. Personally I think it could be more so than some of the other V7 variants that they've tried, and it wouldn't take a lot to do it. Just adjust the seat, bars, and pegs for comfortable ergos, and add a nicely designed removable windshield (designed in the wind tunnel please), panniers, and rear rack. The V7 already has the basics like a nice 850 engine with enough power now, 6 gallon tank, and shaft drive.
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Fair enough Kev, did you used to own a Breva ?
Yeah it was my attempt to bond with a CARC bike.
A great bike in a lot of ways, but not for me.
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(https://i.ibb.co/MZRP0nv/IMG-5593.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MZRP0nv)
Here’s the real deal. The new one will smoke it, and stop better. But it’s not the same. Nothing like the OG.
Maybe I wasn’t clear, but I’ve owned this original for almost 15 years. Somehow I got sucked into this ridiculousness. Yes it was fast back in the day, but it’s 50 years old. Just being realistic. I’ve owned and ridden modern V7’s, and it’s not a fair comparison. Also, I’m 5’8 with a 30” inseam and I’m cramped on it. Those Italian racer guys were small. I still love it, and always will. GFY
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This has become, perhaps always was, pointless. Guzzi has proven they are not hanging on the words of the over 50 crowed swimming in this pool.
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How about we create a category titled "Legacy Tribute" and call it a day?
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You're being a bit misleading Pete. Yes, Kawasaki had 4 bikes in the top ten. How many did Moto Guzzi have? One. It finished a respectable 5th. I may be wrong, but I think 1976 was the first, and last year that Guzzi was competitive in Super Bike.
Anyone know what type of Guzzi's were being run in Super Bike in 76?
I believe it was the 850 LeMans?
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Yes, it was the Le Mans I. Baldwin won at Loudon in 1976 on it.
It took a year but by June 1976 we figured out how to make the Guzzi Le Mans fast enough to win a National Superbike race. Sponsored by importer Berliner Motors. Tuned and built by Reno Leoni. Baldwin
https://www.cycleworld.com/2013/05/31/origins-of-american-superbike-racing/
https://riderfiles.wordpress.com/2014/04/30/1976-ama-superbike-results/
https://woodburymotomedia.com/moto-guzzi-850-le-mans-production-racer/
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Agreed. I wasn’t saying it can’t—naked standards ARE indeed the go-anywhere bikes as I see them. All I’m saying is that the time has long moved on from marketing them as such, as the manufacturers prefer to throw bags onto cruisers, ADVs, and porkier standards as such cross-country travelers.
Unlikey I would make a bike like the new V7 Sport to be an 'anywhere' bike, but the V7 is a perfect blank slate to do what you want, and many have.
My Stornello started as a V7ii trim package. It is as capable as any ADV styled bike, if down on power. I've test ridden the Moto Morini Xcape, parallel twin GS (750?), AT, V85, VStrom, and several others and NONE could pry the Stornello out of my sausage like fingers........
There is a reason I dumped my FJR and 25 years of IL4 liter plus Japanese bikes for a Griso and Norge WITHOUT regret, and didn't look back..... It wasn't because they were revolutionary or spec sheet leaders. In fact, at the time I threw a leg over a GRiSO in 2015, my passion for riding was gone....... Irreversably woken up by this wonderful Niche brand.
My wife used to ride with me all over all the time. She was used to the Concours, FZ1, and FJR. Her first time on the Norge for a trip around Mount Rainer she said 'It is so slow'..... And it was by comparison, especially for passing. YET.......... When I did a 6K ride with my FJR buddies up to Novi Scotia a year later, the Norge was the bike setting the pace on all but full throttle straight line pulls when they could downshift. Top gear roll ons?? The Norge walked them, and danced through the sweepers and twisties. We all swapped off during the extended trip. The Norge was an 8V, and we had FJR's from the first 3 generations. ALL liked the Norge and were impressed, but NOT ONE made a change.
I'm not telling most of you anything you don't already know. Guzzis make power where you need and want for 99% of riding conditions, and do so with character and grace and satisfaction equaled by few.
But getting back to the new V7 Sport, I'm happy to see it, though I would immediately add color matched rear fender or metal front and rear fenders, a bright exhaust, probably matching in finish, so a satin finish over chrome. I prefer the black motor and running gear, it ages better with time IMO. I can easily see one in my garage, but the real question for me is "Can it displace the Griso" as my fun sporting 'go to'............ Plus I am still having fun on my newly refreshed 750 Breva with Guzzi Bi-Tubo shocks and upgraded forks with HH brake pads. A TON of fun.
This new V7 Sport is likely the BEST of the new V7 line yet. I still think it is dumb to piss on what Guzzi is doing with the V7 line, especially with the latest updates, AND that they took it to a new level with the V7 Sport.
YET.... I do hope it is a sales flop and I can pick one up as a 2 year left over for $3-4K off the MSRP the way I did the Stornello :cool: :cool: :cool:
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I am excited to see that MG has added cruise control to the whole V7 lineup. Since I have had bikes with CC since 2012, I would be hard pressed to live without it now. And since age will eventually force me to a smaller bike, I will be much happier having CC on my eventual V7.
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Unlikey I would make a bike like the new V7 Sport to be an 'anywhere' bike, but the V7 is a perfect blank slate to do what you want, and many have.
That's exactly what I decided to do. Now part of it was where I am in life and how I find myself taking fewer and fewer long trips (without a Jeep filled with kids and soccer gear). But part of it was going back to basics. Finding the joy in doing more with less.
Honestly I proved to myself that my 40 rwhp 2013 Stone is ALL I "need" to do what I want with bikes. I've had it on a track, I've traveled with it for a week, I've pounded the highway miles when needed. It does it all just fine. Could be a little more comfortable on the long haul, could have better wind protection, could make more power, etc. But I don't NEED any of that.
I also have a ~50 rwhp 2018 V7III Carbon Dark which does that all too - maybe a tad better with the highway part. Plus ABS isn't a bad thing to have. Somehow it magically makes more power AND somehow regularly gets 5-8 mpg better. Go figure. And if I let go of just plain feel, it technically does most things a little better than the Stone.
But back on Point, this new V7 Sport is likely the BEST of the new V7 line yet. I still think it is dumb to piss on what Guzzi is doing with the V7 line, especially with the latest updates, AND that they took it to a new level with the V7 Sport.
The ONE thing that I'VE honestly wanted from both bikes and asked MG of this board time and again was for a better front end/brakes. USD forks and dual discs!!! YES PLEASE.
Do I NEED THEM - see above - obviously not. But bikes aren't always about need.
And yeah the other changes, a little more power, cruise control, etc. REALLY should make this a great all around bike for people with similar wants.
I get that others want more. Then buy something else Guzzi or BMW or Ducati or Triumph or JAPanInc, hell even Harley.
That's cool. I constantly look at a bikes from most/all manufacturers. I could enjoy just about any bike. There's a lot that appeal to me one way or another.
But again and again over the last decade or so I've come to the same conclusion. It took me a decade or two in order to figure it out. But the RIGHT bike(s) for me, they are much fewer and relatively far between.
The Guzzi smallblock has my number and I may well wind up with a small collection. Works for me.
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Couldn't agree more with the above
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I'm pretty much on the same wavelength as Kev. Love the new forks, twin disks, and the cruise control. 6 gears!!! 39rwhp that I have now, verses the new V7 Sport 850, I'm sure to notice a difference. Looking forwards to a test ride next year. If I like it, I'll buy one and start rigging it out with HB hard bags and rack, centrestand and a little screen. That's me done! Is it likely to be perfect in all respects? Probably not, but I might be one of those blokes that has one bike, keeps its a really long time, and can easily put up with a few foibles.
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I have a 2019 V7lll Special. It is a great bike which I mainly ride around town but at some point will probably become my main ride after the Mandello gets to be too much for me. I am not getting any younger. The main thing I will do at that point will be rear suspension. Currently the stock tires are just terrible but I just got new Avons today. I will mount them tomorrow but probably won't be able to try them out for quite a few days due to the atmospheric river flowing through. I hope the low speed turn in improves with the Sport Demons it wants to fall into the turns at low speeds. The low speed handling on the Mandello is so superb that it is hard to go back and forth.
kk
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Kinda a tough crowd here. I like it. All the time they came out with these new V7 models everyone was bitching about the single disk, and the same cheap suspension, etc.. Here we get one.. duel disc, USD forks, hopefully good shocks, a few more HP ticks, cool vintage paint color. OK, they take the old "Sport" name.. But really the Sport back in the day was pretty much a basic bike, with some mods to make it a little more suited for blasting some corners. This is a basic V7 with some mods to do the same. A few more HP, a little better corning, and braking.. It fits. Frankly I would rather see this then the Sport [or LeMans] name put on some cookie cutter sportbike that has no link to the Guzzis we love.
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OK, they take the old "Sport" name.. But really the Sport back in the day was pretty much a basic bike, with some mods to make it a little more suited for blasting some corners.
You might want to read "Moto Guzzi Big Twins" by Greg Field. The original V7 Sport was not based on anything before it "with some mods". It was the first of a new line of bikes, almost completely different than any Guzzi before it. Yes, the drivetrain was much the same, but it had a completely new chassis.
What you wrote would be accurate if the 850-T had come first, then Guzzi changed the bodywork to build the V7 Sport, but that is not the way it happened!
The new V7 Sport is merely a "trim level" of an existing platform. This is not to say it isn't a nice step forward - I feel it is. But, it is not nearly as significant to Guzzis product range as the original was in it's time.
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i wonder how many Verde Legnano will be coming to the states.
It is the paint and cruise control that attracts me the most. My V7III has full cartridge front suspension, and Bitubo rear shocks so while the upgrades to the front are nice, not enough to peel me away from my Carbon Dark.
I really wanted a Kawasaki Z650RS when it came out with the retro green and gold wheels but no dealer near me got that color. The other offering was bland at best.
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In terms of modern (v-twin era) Moto Guzzis, it’s probably valid to claim the original V7 Sport as the origin & inspiration of more subsequent models than any other bike. Tonti frame & crank-mounted alternator became the standard for how many years?, The bodywork (at least the gas tank design) was used with little change for LeMans 1, 2 and CX100 before being revived for the new V7 series (think the V7 Classic was the first?). That tank & general profile is how a performance Guzzi was supposed to look. it was only a matter of time before the name was recycled as well.
After reorganization, The V7 Sport was the bike that took MG into the future. not sure how Guzzi could have been as innovative and creative with a modern bike as they were when the V7 Sport was released.
An original V7 Sport isn’t a perfect bike, but I’ve found no bike that I like or enjoy more. I’m a little taller than Cam and, as mentioned, it’s easy to be cramped if you ride on the front pegs. It’s not the rocket-fast acceleration that people expect nowadays and the properly set-up 4 shoe brake isn’t a 2-finger pull. No matter, it’s an awesome bike. Super smooth at speed, good power, comfortable suspension and a very pleasing visceral experience to ride in general.
Most people now expect a much less analog experience while riding. Read about all the tweaks, nuances and gotta-have details mentioned in this thread. None of those things exist on an original V7 Sport…. That’s why I enjoy mine so much and still have it after all these years. I doubt anyone will be turning in their old V7 Sport in trade on a new V7 Sport.
Keep the big picture in mind. The new V7 Sport, whatever it is or isn’t, is simply part of the continuing effort to keep Moto Guzzi in business. Hopefully, it works.
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In terms of modern (v-twin era) Moto Guzzis, it’s probably valid to claim the original V7 Sport as the origin & inspiration of more subsequent models than any other bike. Tonti frame & crank-mounted alternator became the standard for how many years?, The bodywork (at least the gas tank design) was used with little change for LeMans 1, 2 and CX100 before being revived for the new V7 series (think the V7 Classic was the first?).
The 1000S got it first.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RkOo6pQyBYo/maxresdefault.jpg)
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An original V7 Sport isn’t a perfect bike, but I’ve found no bike that I like or enjoy more.... Super smooth at speed, good power, comfortable suspension and a very pleasing visceral experience to ride in general....
I doubt anyone will be turning in their old V7 Sport in trade on a new V7 Sport.
I agree with all that, as applied to my low-barred T3.
But I just got back from a thousand-mile fast tour of Sicily's back roads on a V7 850 Stone. (This in the Moto Guzzi Experience.)
That bike was perfect for me for that adventure. Its cable operated throttle was great fun, making it easy to dominate the ride-by-wire bikes (Stelvios and a Mandello) in the right places. I think introducing
ride-by-wire on the new generation might be a step back.
I came close to buying a V7 850 three days ago. I stopped when it became clear that I really needed to be in Sicily to enjoy it so much and that I am not ready to sell my T3 just yet.
The V7 850 may be irresistible to me as I age further. (I'm 74.)
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I agree with all that, as applied to my low-barred T3.
But I just got back from a thousand-mile fast tour of Sicily's back roads on a V7 850 Stone. (This in the Moto Guzzi Experience.)
That bike was perfect for me for that adventure. Its cable operated throttle was great fun, making it easy to dominate the ride-by-wire bikes (Stelvios and a Mandello) in the right places. I think introducing
ride-by-wire on the new generation might be a step back.
I came close to buying a V7 850 three days ago. I stopped when it became clear that I really needed to be in Sicily to enjoy it so much and that I am not ready to sell my T3 just yet.
The V7 850 may be irresistible to me as I age further. (I'm 74.)
What makes Sicily different than say eastern TN / western NC / northwestern GA? Heck, the V7 is perfect for everywhere I have ridden mine.
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What makes Sicily different than say eastern TN / western NC / northwestern GA? Heck, the V7 is perfect for everywhere I have ridden mine.
No police enforcement, no self-appointed police in cars using cell phones to squeal, dry and sunny weather, low brush instead of trees around corners, no deer, for starters. Better food.
My T3 is better for transcontinental trips. I just took one.
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The 1000S got it first.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RkOo6pQyBYo/maxresdefault.jpg)
Yup- forgot about the 1000S. The first one I saw in person was at a party in Knoxville in summer/fall of 95. The owner (who had a bad leg/limp so used a cane with a sword in it….) rode his 1000S up from the Athens (TN, I think) area. Don’t remember his name, but iirc he looked somewhat like the genius scientist who cloned the dinosaurs on Jurassic Park.
We had a great time comparing and discussing the two bikes. As the evening progressed and the inhibitions were increasingly subdued, his sword became an ever-greater means of expressing himself. It got kinda nuts. FarmerFred finally stepped in and put an end to the swordplay before somebody lost an eye or something else in his driveway.. fun night.
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Its cable operated throttle was great fun, making it easy to dominate the ride-by-wire bikes (Stelvios and a Mandello) in the right places. I think introducing
ride-by-wire on the new generation might be a step back.
Do you really attribute that to the difference between a cable operated throttle and ride-by-wire?
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"FarmerFred finally stepped in and put an end to the swordplay before somebody lost an eye or something else in his driveway.. fun night."
How is Fred? Haven't heard about him in quite some time, last time was a post on ADV Rider some years ago, but I'm not on that site too often. I assume he still has his 1000S.
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Six pages and still going. I think if Guzzi had not named this bike V7 Sport it would have ended after a few posts.
How ‘bout V8 Bandit or V8 Pebble?
Pete
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"FarmerFred finally stepped in and put an end to the swordplay before somebody lost an eye or something else in his driveway.. fun night."
How is Fred? Haven't heard about him in quite some time, last time was a post on ADV Rider some years ago, but I'm not on that site too often. I assume he still has his 1000S.
Fred & Kim are both doing great. We swap emails and keep in touch. He retired earlier this year, then apparently walked straight to the parking lot, got on his bike and rode it cross country & back to celebrate. They still have a garage full of good bikes & cars, all pristine Fred-quality stuff..
Last communications I had with him were about helping source some parts for a friend in a distant land to keep a loop Guzzi running, like Fred likes to do.
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Do you really attribute that to the difference between a cable operated throttle and ride-by-wire?
Yes. But I am no expert. The Mandello I rode on the same trip took forever to respond to the handgrip. Wrong mode probably, but I am now suspicious. I wouldn't want to lose quick response so someone else won't scare himself. I know a cable responds immediately and think a computer between the grip and throttle can't do better.
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Yes. But I am no expert. The Mandello I rode on the same trip took forever to respond to the handgrip. Wrong mode probably, but I am now suspicious. I wouldn't want to lose quick response so someone else won't scare himself. I know a cable responds immediately and think a computer between the grip and throttle can't do better.
I think you're falling victim to bad assumptions.
A computer can outbreak a professional driver.
A computer can pulse a fuel injector in terms of milliseconds.
And the cable on the grip you twisted was moving mechanical linkage that a computer monitors to determine how far you moved it and then calculates how many additional injector pulses equals the right amount of fuel.
Nope I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it was in a less responsive map and/or had too high a reaction control setting for your liking.
I bet if I put someone on the RBW bike I owned last and asked them whether or not there was a cable there was no way they would know without physically looking for it.
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No police enforcement, no self-appointed police in cars using cell phones to squeal, dry and sunny weather, low brush instead of trees around corners, no deer, for starters. Better food.
My T3 is better for transcontinental trips. I just took one.
Where I ride there are no police.
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Yes. But I am no expert. The Mandello I rode on the same trip took forever to respond to the handgrip. Wrong mode probably, but I am now suspicious. I wouldn't want to lose quick response so someone else won't scare himself. I know a cable responds immediately and think a computer between the grip and throttle can't do better.
Probably in Rain mode.
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I was told it was in touring mode. But my main point is I don't want electronics that I don't need.
I found the Mandello just horrible compared to the Stone.
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I was told it was in touring mode. But my main point is I don't want electronics that I don't need.
I found the Mandello just horrible compared to the Stone.
You should have put it in sport mode.
There are so many factors to consider. How much throttle rotation is full throttle on each bike? What is the gearing? Where is the power band? Can't just say throttle by wire bad.
Well, if you have a fuel injected bike there will be electronics you need.
Even if you have a carburetor bike from the 1970s and beyond there will be electronics you need.
If you want a bike with cruise control there will be electronics you need.
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Six pages and still going. I think if Guzzi had not named this bike V7 Sport it would have ended after a few posts.
How ‘bout V8 Bandit or V8 Pebble?
Pete
True.. any name besides Sport, Lemans or Daytona.
Judging from what the overweight oldtimers want in here, Old Faithful would fit in just fine.
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It was probably in tour or rain. In rain the throttle has to be turned a bit before anything happens. Tour is not as bad. I ride mine in road most of the time, it isn't as aggressive as sport. I use sport when I need instant throttle response but it is a little twitchy in town etc. I really like my Mandello, it did need some miles to come into its own. Mine has just over 6k miles so, I expect it to get better with some more miles.
kk
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True.. any name besides Sport, Lemans or Daytona.
Judging from what the overweight oldtimers want in here, Old Faithful would fit in just fine.
Well as a tip of the hat..
The 750 was a V7
The 850 thing was a V9
Put this in the middle and call it the V8
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I can't wait to buy one and tell everyone I meet that it's a "Dr. John Edition V7 Sport LeMans" and watch to see if their brain short circuits. :boozing:
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I didn't come to Guzzi ownership until 2017, so I am a pretty new guy. I like the long history, but I don't get my panties in a bunch over it. I remember reading an article long ago about the Hesketh attempt to bring a bike to market. There was a quote I am sure to mangle, but it goes like this. When asked why he spent enormous amounts of his personal fortune, the lord said: I just wanted to make a crackin good motorbike. That's what this bike looks like to me and I am as excited to see it as I was to see the V85s when they were announced. Also, look at the number of posts so far. I don't think any bike MG has introduced since the V85 has stirred this much chatter, so my opinion is job well done Guzzi.
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I can't wait to buy one and tell everyone I meet that it's a "Dr. John Edition V7 Sport LeMans" and watch to see if their brain short circuits. :boozing:
I just puked in my mouth.
Lucky we don’t have a DISLIKE button.
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Come on, man. Where's the sense of humor?
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Well as a tip of the hat..
The 750 was a V7
The 850 thing was a V9
Put this in the middle and call it the V8
How about they do the paint scheme of the 1000S and call it the 850S?
Guzzi should pay me for my ideas............. :boozing: :boozing: :cool:
On the TBW, I have to agree with others that I prefer cable, but this is the trend and way ahead, especially when adding things like cornering ABS, ride modes, cruise control, etc.
I'm kind of excited about the future, and am researching if the Metal Fenders from the V7ii and iii used on the Stornello and Milano (? the grey tank) are a simple bolt up to the most recent 850 setup......
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I’m kind of excited about the future, and am researching if the Metal Fenders from the V7ii and iii used on the Stornello and Milano (? the grey tank) are a simple bolt up to the most recent 850 setup......
I was going to share the link to MAS Engineering’s website, the manufacturer of the aluminum mudguards that Guzzi used for their various bikes. MAS advertised mudguards for the V7 I-II-III and separate mudguards for the V7 E5, so I don’t think they’re direct fitment. Unfortunately, it appears their website is down, and I think it’s been down for a while (I vaguely remember checking some time back, maybe within the past 15 months). I just reached out to them through their Facebook and Instagram pages to see if they’re still open for business.
Come on, man. Where's the sense of humor?
I was smiling while I was typing my response. And puking in my mouth.
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and there you have it
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Former '10 V7 rider here, and a V11 Ballabio before that. Currently on a Triumph 1200 XC Scrambler. It is a great bike, but is feeling too tall and a bit top heavy at my age, 72.
So I am looking to sell that and downsize.
I just watched a Youtube from the English bloke with the heavy accent, The Bingley Wheeler. He reminded me that
with the V7, the character is the main draw to the brand. That is something I am in total agreement with. No need to preach to the choir here.
I've been considering the V85 Strada (so far, none in stock here), R12nineT, Svartpilen 801 (Also not in stock), and now the current V7.
I've only test ridden the R12. It was very comfy and powerful, but had a woeful excuse for a suspension.
Thus am considering the R12nineT, which has a good suspension, but costs about $18-19K. That's a big pill to swallow.
So I am looking at the affordable V7 again. I like everything about the new Sport version, except the bar end mirrors. Could I swap those out for traditionals?
Either that, or the regular Stone in yellow.
The Svart has a fully adjustable suspension (big +), but I hear of possible issues with it's KTM sourced engine (camshafts), being a concern. The Svart has it's own thing going though, it's unlike anything out there.
Likely I will go with a V7 variant. I think it's great that MG has kept forging ahead with their classic beauty of a motorcycle.
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Former '10 V7 rider here, and a V11 Ballabio before that. Currently on a Triumph 1200 XC Scrambler. It is a great bike, but is feeling too tall and a bit top heavy at my age, 72.
So I am looking to sell that and downsize..
Since you currently have a Triumph, have you considered something like a Triumph Street Twin? I had a 2018 ST, with a set of V&H mufflers with the dB killers removed, cat-delete, 6-piston front brake caliper, and a few other mods. My daughter got her MC license a while ago, and loved riding that ST around in the neighborhood. She wasn't intimidated by it all, fit her perfectly (seat, foot controls, bars, etc), and she could move it around easily. Comparing my ST to the '23 V7 850 I have now, the ST seemed to accelerate faster, could get up to 100 without too much effort. And it definitely got better mpg than the V7.
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I had a '16 Street Twin. I had to put risers on the bars to make it easier on my old back.
It was a fine bike, but I always wondered, why they didn't give it a 6th gear?
I sold it to get the Scrambler 1200.
I love Triumphs, but feel it is time to try MG again. I really like the character of the V7.
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I had a '16 Street Twin. I had to put risers on the bars to make it easier on my old back.
It was a fine bike, but I always wondered, why they didn't give it a 6th gear?
I sold it to get the Scrambler 1200.
I love Triumphs, but feel it is time to try MG again. I really like the character of the V7.
The V7 850 is the best iteration of the new V7's. Power is surprising, and the work on the chassis and frame have been excellent. Will be interesting to see what this new 'Sport' and the latest TBW models bring to the table. I wish I didn't like my Stornello and GRiSO so much.............. Both are rock solid reliability wise, paid off, and perfectly dialed in/modified to fit me. Still, the new Sport is mighty tasty looking.
I was struggling with the GRiSO the last couple of years. I already had Ohnur's risers (1/2" block under the stock risers), and 1" Knight Pegs, but found the forward lean and wide grips of the 1100 too much, and after an hour (which is NOT enough) combined with the very stiff clutch lever, my left arm was searing pain. After great success with adding a set of Mana Bars to the 1200 Sport, I added a pair to the GRiSO and so far so good.
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My local dealer is getting a Stone Ten in shortly. I may pick it up this weekend. I really dig the look! Never had bar end mirrors before...not sure how I might get on with those. Since I occasionally split lanes, I don't like the increased overall width they create. But I'll be a good sport and give em a try. Otherwise, the Ten is the V7 variant that appeals the most to me. Been off the brand for 10 years. I'm ready to come back.
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My local dealer is getting a Stone Ten in shortly. I may pick it up this weekend. I really dig the look! Never had bar end mirrors before...not sure how I might get on with those. Since I occasionally split lanes, I don't like the increased overall width they create. But I'll be a good sport and give em a try. Otherwise, the Ten is the V7 variant that appeals the most to me. Been off the brand for 10 years. I'm ready to come back.
Some bar end mirrors can be rotated in so they don't stick out any further than a bar end weight. Not sure on the Guzzi, but if you are splitting that close with moving cars you might want to rethink doing so.
When I have ridden in California I stayed off the highways so I only filtered to the front at lights instead of splitting lanes with moving cars.
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Never had bar end mirrors before...not sure how I might get on with those. Since I occasionally split lanes, I don't like the increased overall width they create.
Some bar end mirrors can be rotated in so they don't stick out any further than a bar end weight.
case in point
(https://i.imgur.com/YuGGiJl.png)
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I'm not a fan of bar ends. Too much movement for me. YMMV.
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I'm not a fan of bar ends. Too much movement for me. YMMV.
I've had several variations. These are 100% rock solid, as were the Napoleons on my LeMans. All others were difficult to live with.
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I'm not a fan of bar ends. Too much movement for me. YMMV.
??? You mean you kept accidently bumping them? Or are you meaning not a clear image in the mirror?
The Napoleons I have on my V7III are rubber mounted. No movement for me.
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No, I mean with them being way out at the end of the lever they travel the longest distance when the bars move. Just me-it's distracting. I realize others are not affected.
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So I got a lead on a Stone Ten in AZ. I am in CA. Does anyone know if V7's are 50 state legal?
Registration here is a bitch.
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So I got a lead on a Stone Ten in AZ. I am in CA. Does anyone know if V7's are 50 state legal?
Registration here is a bitch.
Unless something has changed Guzzis have been 50 state for decades.
Even my 2000 Jackal had EVAP canisters.
But obviously confirm that to be safe
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Welp my local dealer gave me $1K off sticker, plus $500 rebate on a new Stone Ten.
I rode it about 20 miles home as it was getting dark. What a beautiful machine! The bar end mirrors are not so bad. Let the break- in miles begin...
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I talked to my local dealer the other day and they said pre-orders for the V7 Sport are open March 1st w/ a non-refundable deposit (no thanks) and that they wouldn't hit the shores here in the U.S. until 90 days later, but not to expect them until July. I know Guzzis force you to slow down, but andiamo, guys. I'd really like to see these in person. The green really pops and the gray is classy. I wonder how the fueling/throttle response is going to be with the new ride by wire, ecu, and ride modes.
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Yeah, that's a bummer. Unfortunately in Illinois the dealer can keep a deposit without delivering the product, as it's earnest money. One exception may be if they fail to secure financing for you. Those type of things vary by state, for example in California the dealer cannot keep the deposit and I believe they can only hold up to a 2.5% deposit of the motorcycle's price.
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Why is anyone worried? There are always bikes left over. Heck, one can still get a new Oreo V85.
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Why is anyone worried? There are always bikes left over. Heck, one can still get a new Oreo V85.
An excellent point. Moto Guzzi even extended their 100th anniversary Centenario bikes from 2021 into 2022... which was a relief to me when I was looking to buy mine.
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What's the deposit, I wouldn't expect it to be much, you can order $100,000plus cars for a $100 down.
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Ride what you like and like what you ride.
I’ve owned lotsa bikes, let’s just leave it at that.
But I long since gave up on MG putting out high HP and high torque models with very light weight chassis. Yes the V100 Mandello looks cool and probably runs well but let’s face it, it’s not gonna win track days against others in the same displacement category.
They are what they are so I guess I’ve stopped comparing specs to other manufacturers that aren’t MG.
Call it character, boutique, unique or whatever but please accept them for what they are.
Nuff said, RideOn!
inditx
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Yep..
As soon as you start caring about comparisons, you’re rooted, (Australian slang for relatively devoid of viable options).
Buy it on it’s merits, love it for what it is and don’t decry it for it’s perceived shortcomings, because unless you buy a Suzuki Hyabusa, Kawasaki ZXR 1400 or similar, there’ll always be someone who can waste your ass.
The KPI that I use these days to gauge how desireable my bike is..?
I just look at and ask myself..
“If that was someone else’s bike, would I wish it was mine.?
V85 = Ummmm yes
Norge= Hell yeah…!
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I agree in general, but the way I see this discussion, is that some of us feel that Guzzi already have in-house the means to make the new V7 Sport better without adding much cost. The 85TT engine is there, and fitting a fully adjustable fork along with ditto shock absorbers and the dual instruments of the V7 Special would have made it a true Guzzi. Still not a performance machine compared to a Gixxer in any way, but a performance machine in the Guzzi V7 range. YMMV.
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Dust you on the straights only. Corners are where it matters if you're that way. Track days? Get a track bike. My good buddy runs a track day school in CA. 1000's only win on straightaways. The smaller stuff will dust them in the tight stuff.
Haven't we all seen the vids of a Goldwing rider leaving the fast kids on the Ducatis in the dust at The Dragon? But I digress............ .....
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I agree in general, but the way I see this discussion, is that some of us feel that Guzzi already have in-house the means to make the new V7 Sport better without adding much cost.
Careful with both, those statements are highly subjective.
would have made it a true Guzzi.
The most BS term used in discussions like this, period.
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Reminds me of the saying that it’s more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow or something of that ilk.
Fleece is right, handling is where most if not all Guzzis shine.
inditx
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The thing that allows emotive terms like “true” when referring to things like bikes, is that they are affairs of the heart and as such, the terms used can be a bit flowery and not necessarily rooted in commonsense fact.
In this context the term”true Guzzi” is describing that which stirs the emotion that drew one into the marque in the first place, warts and all.
Early Guzzi’s can be seen as flawed in several ways and these flaws can be viewed as imperfections, they are being relentlessly designed out over the evolution of the brand, but the risk of the marque becoming featureless and BMW or Honda like, starts to loom large.
Most opinions can be seen as BS when viewed from another’s perspective but an opinion, by definition can never be wrong.
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Careful with both, those statements are highly subjective.
How good it is for us that you are always objective.
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How good it is for us that you are always objective.
Kev is a journalist of some sort, his bread and butter is to foster debate and invite controversy. Not necessarily a bad thing as long as you recognise it for what it is…
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How good it is for us that you are always objective.
No, but when I'm subjective I don't present it like objective truth.
Remember a huge part of this thread has been a ridiculous debate over the name of this bike.
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No, but when I'm subjective I don't present it like objective truth.
Remember a huge part of this thread has been a ridiculous debate over the name of this bike.
The name of the bike is the beginning of getting to know it for some folk and if they lay their money down, they have some say.
Would a Hell’s Angel want his Road King the be known as a “Road Queen” or a “Road Princess” ? The name carries a subliminal connotation that speaks contrary to the desired message.
I contend that is why this thing is not placed between the V7 and the V9 and called the V8.
There would be those that would shun it because “there was only ever ONE V8…!”
But there’d be those who would be drawn to it also for the same reason. People buy motorcycles as much for the fact that they are a ridiculous choice, by virtue of the fact that they can attract ridicule.
Also note that it has raged for 8 pages and has drawn out posters that are usually quiet, that speaks to the amount of interest in the topic.
That is why we are here at all…
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No, but when I'm subjective I don't present it like objective truth
….and ummm, yes Kev…
You actually do.
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….and ummm, yes Kev…
You actually do.
:rolleyes:
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Reminds me of the saying that it’s more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow or something of that ilk.
Fleece is right, handling is where most if not all Guzzis shine.
inditx
I'm completely guilty of passing Guzzi by for serious consideration.
It was an FZ rather than a 1200 Sport and FJR instead of a Norge. I read the reviews, loved the look and respected the brand, but the spec sheet and ##'s killed it. Of course not having ever seen a Guzzi dealer or one on the road didn't help.
It was after 8-9 years on the FJR and being bored to tears unless riding at go to jail/morgue speeds, I rode a total of 500 miles my last 2 years of ownership. I started looking for a naked sporting bike (used), discovered the GRiSO, and haven't looked back. The brand but and hit hard
My Guzzi's always draw a crowd, and interest, but no converts. Why? Spec sheets and dealer 'underperformance'.... Will likely stay the same except for the more discerning and I like it that way. Of course I want the brand to be vital and healthy, but enjoy the rarity and uniqueness.
The V85 and V100 have expanded the brand. Many owners are first time buyers. Same with the V7 as well. The SPORT will do well, but it's not a class leader, and who cares. Guzzi finally put a real fork and dual discs on a V7 and other improvements to the line. What are we arguing about?
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Kev is a lot of things, but a journalist he is not.
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Kev is a lot of things, but a journalist he is not.
We’ll see what he says…
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Proper summary
https://www.rideapart.com/news/742098/2025-moto-guzzi-v7-sport/
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Proper summary
https://www.rideapart.com/news/742098/2025-moto-guzzi-v7-sport/
Did I miss something? I failed to see anything about how the motorcycle actually works, but perhaps there were more pages that I missed :huh:
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The name of the bike is the beginning of getting to know it for some folk and if they lay their money down, they have some say.
Would a Hell’s Angel want his Road King the be known as a “Road Queen” or a “Road Princess” ? The name carroies a subliminal connotation that speaks contrary to the desired message.
I contend that is why this thing is not placed between the V7 and the V9 and called the V8.
There would be those that would shun it because “there was only ever ONE V8…!”
But there’d be those who would be drawn to it also for the same reason. People buy motorcycles as much for the fact that they are a ridiculous choice, by virtue of the fact that they can attract ridicule.
Also note that it has raged for 8 pages and has drawn out posters that are usually quiet, that speaks to the amount of interest in the topic.
That is why we are here at all…
It being a "true guzzi" comes from it being made by Moto Guzzi / Piaggio who own the name. They get to name it what they like, same as Harley-Davidson get to name their bikes what they like, even when it upsets owners of older models - which has happened a lot in the past decade.
Should brands stick to the heritage of a name? That's opinionated and surely they consider it, but the facts are that they've named the models what they've named them and they are what they are.
That Ride Apart article makes no indication of the author having test ridden the new V7 Sport, it reads like someone put together an article based on Moto Guzzi's press release.
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What's the deposit, I wouldn't expect it to be much, you can order $100,000plus cars for a $100 down.
$500
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It's just a motorcycle......... .................
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It's just a motorcycle......... .................
Well yes, that’s demonstrably true..
Does it need to be anything else ?
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This post has devolved oddly---On yer bikes in in yer garage for maintenance!
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Not in my book it doesn't.
New England, PA, WV, and such. Never seen the bike (any bike) make much difference there where skill comes to the forefront to keep a spirited pace. The rider is always the deciding factor. Now, mind, most of what I've seen has proper front and rear setups with proper equipment.
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I didn’t pay attention to the amount of time it took me to read the 8 pages of this thread, but I wish I could get it back.
Silly discussion. Who cares what it’s called? Looks like some nice improvements over my ‘21 Stone, which has repeatedly made me smile for close to 20,000 miles. The cruise control alone would be an attractive upgrade if I didn’t also own a ‘22 V85. Both wonderful bikes, and after owning 65 over the years I’ve figured out what works (for me).
Good job Guzzi. Keep making improvements! And since I also have a “Beverly” In the garage, I’m not the type to get uptight over the use of the “sport” moniker.
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Kev is a lot of things, but a journalist he is not.
Kev is a writer, but not a Journalist/Commentator. He is an industry Repair Manual Writer. Has been in doing so for years.
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Kev is a writer, but not a Journalist/Commentator. He is an industry Repair Manual Writer. Has been in doing so for years.
That’s nice…
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YET.... I do hope it is a sales flop and I can pick one up as a 2 year left over for $3-4K off the MSRP the way I did the Stornello :cool: :cool: :cool:
This is now my plan. :thumb:
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As my wife keeps encouraging me to buy a new Guzzi.....possibly my last ever "big" bike, who am I to say she is wrong? I'm going to ask the local dealer if they have any word on when they will be arriving in the UK....
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As my wife keeps encouraging me to buy a new Guzzi.....possibly my last ever "big" bike, who am I to say she is wrong? I'm going to ask the local dealer if they have any word on when they will be arriving in the UK....
Some guys have all the luck! :popcorn:
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Definitely the most advanced of the small block series, but visually I think the Stornello is still the coolest. And it is fast enough for me.
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As my wife keeps encouraging me to buy a new Guzzi.....possibly my last ever "big" bike, who am I to say she is wrong? I'm going to ask the local dealer if they have any word on when they will be arriving in the UK....
Someone gonna tell him/her the V7 is NOT a "big" bike? :drool:
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In Norway, we have mopeds, lightweights and heavyweights. Up to 2hp and 50cc, up to 125cc and 15hp, and anything above 125cc and/or 15hp describe what class a bike belong to. In this respect, a V7 is a big bike here 😊
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Like Faffi said, it's all relative. I still think of anything 750cc or more as a big bike. Not so much that they are physically big, but they are capable of exceeding the speed and ridding abilities of 90% of all riders. Bikes and and certainly pickup trucks have gotten absurdly large.
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Like Faffi said, it's all relative. I still think of anything 750cc or more as a big bike. Not so much that they are physically big, but they are capable of exceeding the speed and ridding abilities of 90% of all riders. Bikes and and certainly pickup trucks have gotten absurdly large.
The side effect of trucks growing in size is the gooseneck trailers have to be raised or replaced to be able to tow them level.
When I stated riding a 750 was a big bike. Eventually they were considered beginner bikes, but now many smaller displacement bikes are becoming popular among both beginners and older riders.
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Observations of a 71-year-old:
1.As the years pile on, they ALL turn into 'big' bikes.
2. Who is the smarter person? The riders in Asia, South and Central America, Mexico, et. al, who can transport the entire family and assorted livestock down a muddy unpaved track on a $400 125cc moto that can be repaired with common household items OR the riders in North America who spend $20,000+ on an 700+ lb. behemoth with a $1000.00 initial service charge and a 100-year-old engine design?
It's all a matter of perspective.
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Going from my V85TT Adv to the V7 Carbon was a step backwards in technology but a giant leap in ride-ability and access. So much easier to get on/off the bike and maneuver around at lower speed. My joints don't permit extended saddle time anymore so light and fun wins over long distance capability.
In another couple years I'll probably downsize again to a sub 400lb bike. I have a lead on a V50 rescue that could become my next main ride after the V7.
two-wheels is right about 'back in the day'. My buddy rode a RD400 cross country and I bombed around on a 175 2-stroke. It seems like common sense is starting to creep back into motorcycling and while there's still a market for big inch cruisers and hyper-tech adv bikes, the 300-400cc is becoming much more popular - and affordable.
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I like lightweight motorcycles; 30 hp and 300 lbs with a full tank of fuel suits me, and our roads, perfectly.
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I like lightweight motorcycles; 30 hp and 300 lbs with a full tank of fuel suits me, and our roads, perfectly.
Where is "our roads"?
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Netherlands, I think.
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As I have mentioned before, I wish everyone would at least give a general location on their avatar as to where they are. It would give a better perspective as to some of their posts. :thumb:
kk
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Where is "our roads"?
My bad. Norway. Speed limit in built-up areas typically 50 kph / 31 mph, country roads limit is typically 80 kph / 50 mph, highway mostly restricted to 90 kph / 56 mph, but some places one can see 100 kph / 62 mph or even 110 kph / 68 mph. I do all I can to avoid highways when riding, they are for getting places rapidly. For me, rapid progress = transport = car. I keep my riding recreational, but I have great respect for people who can do 1000 mile days in the saddle.
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My bad. Norway. Speed limit in built-up areas typically 50 kph / 31 mph, country roads limit is typically 80 kph / 50 mph, highway mostly restricted to 90 kph / 56 mph, but some places one can see 100 kph / 62 mph or even 110 kph / 68 mph. I do all I can to avoid highways when riding, they are for getting places rapidly. For me, rapid progress = transport = car. I keep my riding recreational, but I have great respect for people who can do 1000 mile days in the saddle.
Fascinating to consider. Here in the states, on interstate highways, 70-85 is the norm, and higher speed (85+) travellers are abundant. Doing 60 in a 40 is normal. Always interesting to know what other nations with the same technology in broad use consider appropriate.
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This V7 Sport is lighter but less hp than my modernish T120; it is heavier and more hp than my W650.
I'm 73 and I'm looking forward to this. I'm not racing it, nor touring on it.
Not having seen it yet, from the pictures, the switch gear look pretty ugly. And the pigeon on the tank and headlight need to go IMHO.
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Fascinating to consider. Here in the states, on interstate highways, 70-85 is the norm, and higher speed (85+) travellers are abundant. Doing 60 in a 40 is normal. Always interesting to know what other nations with the same technology in broad use consider appropriate.
Here in Oz, if you exceed the limit by 5 kph routinely, you WILL lose your licence due to accumulation of demerit points.
Camera cars are very common.
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Here in Oz, if you exceed the limit by 5 kph routinely, you WILL lose your licence due to accumulation of demerit points.
Camera cars are very common.
Even worse than here. Usually, if you are speeding by less than 10%, you will not be caught, although the law say you should be fined for 5 kph over. If you drive touching (you do not have to talk into it) a mobile telephone, you will be fined about 850 USD (due to a very weak NOK - if we go back 5 years, the eqv to the fine in USD would have been around 1800). 10 kph above the limit will cost you about USD 300. If you do 22 to 25 mph above the speed limit in a 90 kph / 56 mph zone, you will pay about USD 1400. From 150 kph / 93 mph actual speed in the same zone, you will go to jail and lose your license for about 2 years, depending on the actual conditions during the speeding.
You will also lose your license if you earn more than 8 demerit points within a 36 month period. 11-15 kph above the limit will earn you 2 points. Considering the amount of speeding I have done during my 45 years riding and driving, I have been very lucky to only received 2 small fines, dating back around 35-40 years.
We have one benefit over Oz; in order for a fine to stick when caught by a speeding camera, the picture must show the face of the driver. Hence motorcycles cannot be caught on speed cameras. Same with cars lacking a front license number. And if the face of the driver is hidden, or the police cannot positively identify the driver, there will be no fine.
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T120 is a 1200, I would hope it has more hp than a v7!
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Observations of a 71-year-old:
1.As the years pile on, they ALL turn into 'big' bikes.
2. Who is the smarter person? The riders in Asia, South and Central America, Mexico, et. al, who can transport the entire family and assorted livestock down a muddy unpaved track on a $400 125cc moto that can be repaired with common household items OR the riders in North America who spend $20,000+ on an 700+ lb. behemoth with a $1000.00 initial service charge and a 100-year-old engine design?
It's all a matter of perspective.
So, basically every bike made today. Every cumbustion engine design can be traced back to 100 years ago or more.
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cumbustion
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…. :grin: :wink:
:violent1: I hate smartphones! Made for the tiny thumb persons. Guess I need to accept that AI help Google wants to push on me. :boozing:
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T120 is a 1200, I would hope it has more hp than a v7!
* Triumph T120 horsepower = 79
* Guzzi V7 850 horsepower = 65
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* Triumph T120 horsepower = 79
* Guzzi V7 850 horsepower = 65
:wink: :thumb: :boozing:
Let's go a step further:
* Triumph T120 (1200cc) - 520# Wet - 79 hp
* BMW R1200R (1170cc) - 509-511# Wet - 109-125 hp depending on version
* Griso 1100 (1064cc) - 543# Wet - 86 hp
* Guzzi V7 Sport (853cc) - 485# Wet - 67 hp
So I guess it depends on what you're looking for, but the V7 Sport sounds pretty Goldilocks to me.
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T120 is a 1200, I would hope it has more hp than a v7!
Don’t forget the Triumph is also liquid-cooled, and so you would imagine a Triumph 1200 cc liquid-cooled bike to get something north of 100 hp. But, if I recall, the factory cam appears to be the restricting factor. I’ve read some forum comments and seen some videos purporting that installing a hot cam yielded much more of the Triumph bike’s capability.
Still, I think the T100 is more the Guzzi’s direct competition for pricing and performance, and I’m willing to wager (not much) that between the two, they’re quite fun to compare both on paper and empirical observation.
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Here in Oz, if you exceed the limit by 5 kph routinely, you WILL lose your licence due to accumulation of demerit points.
Camera cars are very common.
That's strict. Is there no differentiation between the 'type' of road? On our main highways, state highways and interstates, +10 MPH is almost always safe except in areas there is construction. Same is largely true in uninhabited places out in the wild/country with few cross streets or houses. In cities, and towns, with high population, you may get away with 5, but in some there is zero tolerance.
I generally ride just below the speed limit in populated areas, neighborhoods, cities with a high number of cross streets, etc. On more open roads, highways, etc. I will generally ride at what is the fastest the conditions and situations present, but always faster than whatever traffic is around me. My 'theory'/ practice is that this small amount of deviation helps being seen.
My V7ii is PERFECT for slower back roads, city, and single lane. The motor is punchy and responsive at speeds below 60-65. Sure, I have had it on the highway and ridden at 70+ for hours, but there is VERY little left in the tank for quick acceleration. Same is true for the Baby Breva. The Big Blocks: Griso 1100, 1200 Sport (both 4V motors) and the Norge (8V motor) have loads of power and pull like freight trains up into the triple digits.
I have ridden the V85, and like the power bump over the V7 ii and iii, but it still can't compare to the Big Blocks. i did ride the V9 Bobber, and that felt closer to the BB motors. The 2nd Gen V7 850 in the upcoming V7 Sport has a larger throttle body, and TBW, I imagine it has closed the gap even more.
Does anyone know if the V7 Sport's motor is differentiated from the other V7 850's? Or do all get the larger TB? I'm pretty sure they all will have TBW. I REALLY like the look of the V7 10, but am waiting to see the V7 Sport. But who am I kidding? Unless it is a killer deal, I will need to sell something to make room............... :cool: :cool: :drool:
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Don’t forget the Triumph is also liquid-cooled, and so you would imagine a Triumph 1200 cc liquid-cooled bike to get something north of 100 hp. But, if I recall, the factory cam appears to be the restricting factor. I’ve read some forum comments and seen some videos purporting that installing a hot cam yielded much more of the Triumph bike’s capability.
Still, I think the T100 is more the Guzzi’s direct competition for pricing and performance, and I’m willing to wager (not much) that between the two, they’re quite fun to compare both on paper and empirical observation.
Triumph 1200 Speed Twin
Liquid-cooled parallel twin, 8 valve, SOHC, 270 degree firing order
Capacity 1200 cc
Bore 97.6 mm
Stroke 80 mm
Compression 12.1:1
Max Power EC 105 PS / 103.5 bhp (77.2 kW) @ 7,750 rpm
Max Torque EC 112 Nm @ 4,250 rpm
Wet weight 476 lbs
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Triumph 1200 Speed Twin
Liquid-cooled parallel
Capacity 1200 cc
Bore 97.6 mm
Stroke 80 mm
Compression 12.1:1
Max Power EC 105 PS / 103.5 bhp (77.2 kW) @ 7,750 rpm
Max Torque EC 112 Nm @ 4,250 rpm
Wet weight 476 lbs
That wet weight seems awfully low for the T120. Are we sure of that claim accuracy? sorry, I failed to read throughly, but I’m not sure why we’re pulling up 1200cc Speed Twin specs.
I’m still surprised that the T120 isn’t pushing out more hp. It’s either being restricted, perhaps for model/engine marketing purposes, or the power curve directed to more torque…is my guess anyway.
I think I made this up—therefore it’s probably quite flawed—but I tend to look at the power expectation/comparison with air-cooled and liquid-cooled bikes by using a 10:1 ratio of CC to HP. If an air-cooled bike can get its HP close to 10% of the machine’s CC, I’m impressed (850cc yielding 65 hp), whereas a liquid-cooled bike should be near or exceeding that arbitrary 10% rule. Again, that volume-to-power equation is merely borne of my own ignorant biases; happy to be educated if need be.
But as mentioned, I think the T100 is the proper ride comparison to a Guzzi air-cooled small block. Modern classic to modern classic.
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Does anyone know if the V7 Sport's motor is differentiated from the other V7 850's? Or do all get the larger TB? I'm pretty sure they all will have TBW. I REALLY like the look of the V7 10, but am waiting to see the V7 Sport. But who am I kidding? Unless it is a killer deal, I will need to sell something to make room............... :cool: :cool: :drool:
All the new V7's have the larger throttle body with presumably the separate ECU like the V85.
They all have Ride By Wire, Cruise, and multi-mapping, but only the V7 SPORT has the "Sport" mapping mode. At least according to initial literature from Guzzi.
That wet weight seems awfully low for the T120. Are we sure of that claim accuracy?
I don't know where Faffi is getting that completely fictitious wet weight AHHH, never mind looked closer - He's talking about the Speed Twin and not the base T120 - TRIUMPH themselves said the 520# I quoted earlier on the T120:
https://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/motorcycles/classic/bonneville-t120/specification
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The 1200 Speed Twin and the T120 are very different motorcycles. The T120 is tuned more for torque than HP. The Speed Twin is tuned for a bump in HP over the T120. I believe most of the difference is due to Cam timing. The now discontinued Thruxton had even more. I had a T120 it felt more like riding a Harley than a MG. When I traded my Bonneville for the V100 I had to teach myself to wind it up. I have heard that a number of years ago that MG took some 1400 Californias to Sturgis for demo rides. All those Harley guys came back in and said nice bikes but they don't have any power. Of course they are used to riding between 2,500 and 3,000 rpm.
kk
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Dirk, I just posted the specs to show that the 1200 engine can produce more than 100 hp, and that the 79 hp limit is voluntary by Triumph. Just as the V7 850 can make 85 hp, but Guzzi decided to limit it to 67 in the new V7 Sport.
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Dirk, I just posted the specs to show that the 1200 engine can produce more than 100 hp, and that the 79 hp limit is voluntary by Triumph. Just as the V7 850 can make 85 hp, but Guzzi decided to limit it to 67 in the new V7 Sport.
comparing the torque curves would show what Triumph is doing when tuning the engines. My guess is that they are not limiting the HP on the T120, but the lower HP is a natural artifact of providing more torque lower in the rev range.
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Don’t forget the Triumph is also liquid-cooled, and so you would imagine a Triumph 1200 cc liquid-cooled bike to get something north of 100 hp. But, if I recall, the factory cam appears to be the restricting factor. I’ve read some forum comments and seen some videos purporting that installing a hot cam yielded much more of the Triumph bike’s capability.
Still, I think the T100 is more the Guzzi’s direct competition for pricing and performance, and I’m willing to wager (not much) that between the two, they’re quite fun to compare both on paper and empirical observation.
I mentioned this somewhere not too long ago. A disproportionate number of my moto mates here in town are on T100's. One of them bought a V7III last year, keeping his beloved T100. He hasn't touched the Triumph since. Is amazed at the joy that the variation in power delivery provides. Most of these T100 owners ask that we avoid even brief trips on the slab when we ride together. Purely anecdotal, i know.
I'd imagine the V7/850 variant present an even starker contrast.
I've put several hundred miles on a Late model T120 and found it *yawn* very nice. Accelerated nicely. Stopped nicely. Handled well. :coffee:
I'd never guess it had a 1200cc based on performance. But then again my 1200 frame of reference is my GRiSO.
I'm very intrigued by the V7 Sport. i'd love to see one with some creative/appropriate bling. I think it'd be a wonderful runabout.
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I'm old enough and experienced enough to realize chasing spec sheets is foolish. The "feel" we like is subjective. Go with feel.
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Touring is exactly what I am going to do on my new V7 Sport when I get it. As I have done on my 750 Breva for 20 years. :grin:
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I mentioned this somewhere not too long ago. A disproportionate number of my moto mates here in town are on T100's. One of them bought a V7III last year, keeping his beloved T100. He hasn't touched the Triumph since. Is amazed at the joy that the variation in power delivery provides. Most of these T100 owners ask that we avoid even brief trips on the slab when we ride together. Purely anecdotal, i know.
I'd imagine the V7/850 variant present an even starker contrast.
I've put several hundred miles on a Late model T120 and found it *yawn* very nice. Accelerated nicely. Stopped nicely. Handled well. :coffee:
I'd never guess it had a 1200cc based on performance. But then again my 1200 frame of reference is my GRiSO.
I'm very intrigued by the V7 Sport. i'd love to see one with some creative/appropriate bling. I think it'd be a wonderful runabout.
My V7III was perfectly happy on the highway. I was not when I was on it. Drove a V7850 and it was a much better place to be when on the highway. Hoping the new V7 Series is similar or better. Not a deal breaker for many. Is for me.
Pretty excited about the new V7Sport.
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My V7III was perfectly happy on the highway. I was not when I was on it. Drove a V7850 and it was a much better place to be when on the highway. Hoping the new V7 Series is similar or better. Not a deal breaker for many. Is for me.
Pretty excited about the new V7Sport.
Alright, I'll bite on the highway thing.
I've become a Guzzi smallblock enthusiast. They are right-sized for my life (meaning mostly 1-up, mostly local riding, but occasional backroad touring or even some highway jaunts).
When I sold my RK a few years ago I did so only after proving to myself that my smallblocks can do everything I want. That might even include a 300-400 mile day on the highway IF I HAVE TO. Even my low hp Heron Head CAN DO IT. But it's NOT FUN PERIOD.
I can't imagine a smallblock shy of maybe MAYBE this new one or the V85 matching what a Guzzi Big Block or a bigger bike like a Road King can feel like on the highway. It's not JUST speed, though traveling a turnpike at 70+ mph and having another quick/easy 20+ mph at your disposal certainly would help. It's also the long term comfort of the ergos, wind protection, and suspension (all of which are compromises on the smallblocks).
That all said - YEAH, my V7III has a little more power and a little more comfort, so it's a little less of a compromise.
I sorta think that with a little more power still, and a little more suspension and brake, the V7 Sport would be even less of a compromise still - but it's NEVER going to be a Road King or even a modern Ambo/Eldo (even if I wish it was on some level).
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17, v9 will run all day on interstates at 80, without feeling winded or stressed.
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I think partly the perception is based on where we all live. I live in the UK, where motorways (to me at least) are a necessary evil sometimes to get to the good stuff; The Brecon Beacons, Snowdonia, Highlands of Scotland, Peak District Lake District etc. I did ride up to near the borders of Scotland once purely on back roads all the way (apart from about 5 miles!) and it was a magnificent 2 day trip and I saw parts of the country I had never seen before. But I had TIME for that trip. Most times I don't have that luxury, so its a boring motorway blast to the good stuff. At around 70mph. Locally...its all wiggly roads. :grin: When touring in Europe I stay off the motorways when I can. Seen some great out of the way places. Tasted some really great pastiserie cakes.....
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Locally...its all wiggly roads. :grin:
Complete tangent (apologies to all - remember, this is a campfire!) but is locally the Exeter area generally, or similar? Your sig says SW England. I have a strong desire to ride in England, Wales/Peak District are two areas I've google earthed to death....
Just curious where you head out from. Something very romantic for this North American to ponder setting out from Lands End en route to Exmoor astride a standard, clad in waxed cotton...
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Ah yes, I live a few miles from Plymouth and work in Exeter. I sometimes ride the bike to work in summer, and ride home over Dartmoor, taking in a non-alcoholic libation at the Warren House Inn, where they say the fire has not gone out for hundreds of years......Lovely place to sit and look at the view. There are some fun rides in the South West, but you have to beware the summer holidays as hundreds of thousands of tourists descent on the South West, and places like St Ives are (IMHO) to be avoided. St Ives to St Just is a great ride. Okehampton to Great Torrington. Up the valley of the Exe to Dunster, hang a left and ride along with the Atlantic on the left until the Ramblers Rest Cafe - the best scones! Then onto Bideford, left again to Crediton and if theres time stop at Union Rd Moto Velo for great coffee and cakes..... And there are enourmous amounts of history all around, particularly ancient monuments and standing stones.....
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Getting back to the V7 Sport, from the pics I've seen, the switch gear on the left seem to be a big ugly box.
Does anyone else see it? What happened to Italian design?
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...And the pigeon on the tank and headlight need to go IMHO.
Hate to ask what you think of Guzzi copying all those markings from their F-35B fighter jets onto the Aviazione Navale!
(https://i.ibb.co/vhFh6Yx/Italian-Navy-F-35-B-1b.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vhFh6Yx)
(https://i.ibb.co/WGzjz43/20240720a1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WGzjz43)
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Hate to ask what you think of Guzzi copying all those markings from the F-35 fighter jet onto the Aviazione Navale!
(https://i.ibb.co/vhFh6Yx/Italian-Navy-F-35-B-1b.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vhFh6Yx)
(https://i.ibb.co/WGzjz43/20240720a1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WGzjz43)
Probably okay. The Italians use the F-35. So it's their jet markings.
Apparently planning to buy more.
https://theaviationist.com/2024/07/26/italian-air-force-f-35-fleet/
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Probably okay. The Italians use the F-35. So it's their jet markings.
Apparently planning to buy more.
https://theaviationist.com/2024/07/26/italian-air-force-f-35-fleet/
And the a Romans, Italians, and Guzzi all use the bald eagle so by that logic shouldn't it be fine on the tank and headlight?
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And the a Romans, Italians, and Guzzi all use the bald eagle so by that logic shouldn't it be fine on the tank and headlight?
Pretty sure it’s a golden eagle.
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Pretty sure it’s a golden eagle.
Oops :boozing: :thumb:
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Pretty sure it’s a golden eagle.
According to eagle eyes at Google:
"It looks most like a Golden Eagle or Eastern Imperial Eagle, but strictly speaking, the eagle from Roman legions that ultimately inspired the Imperial French Eagle was not based on an actual species of eagle, but rather their mythology."
YRMV
(https://i.ibb.co/5xqYZkf/romaneagle.webp) (https://ibb.co/5xqYZkf)
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According to eagle eyes at Google:
"It looks most like a Golden Eagle or Eastern Imperial Eagle, but strictly speaking, the eagle from Roman legions that ultimately inspired the Imperial French Eagle was not based on an actual species of eagle, but rather their mythology."
YRMV
Forgot that the imperial eagle was also a possible inspiration.
Either way, I’m willing to bet the Romans did not use a bald eagle as a source, considering they’re a North American bird ;)
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Forgot that the imperial eagle was also a possible inspiration.
Either way, I’m willing to bet the Romans did not use a bald eagle as a source, considering they’re a North American bird ;)
The bald eagle is native to North America which means Canada United States, and Mexico.
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Sheesh! Now all this discussion of eagles and F35's Has the misspent youth in me wanting to go out and buy a leftover Aviazione Navale.
But I probably won't cause I would have to sell some of my current fleet first.
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I have a Navale and I like all the graphics. I have to explain them once in a while but with a Guzzi gotta explain what it is anyway. And yes the Italian Air Force ordered more F35's.
kk
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Ah yes, I live a few miles from Plymouth and work in Exeter. I sometimes ride the bike to work in summer, and ride home over Dartmoor, taking in a non-alcoholic libation at the Warren House Inn, where they say the fire has not gone out for hundreds of years......Lovely place to sit and look at the view. There are some fun rides in the South West, but you have to beware the summer holidays as hundreds of thousands of tourists descent on the South West, and places like St Ives are (IMHO) to be avoided. St Ives to St Just is a great ride. Okehampton to Great Torrington. Up the valley of the Exe to Dunster, hang a left and ride along with the Atlantic on the left until the Ramblers Rest Cafe - the best scones! Then onto Bideford, left again to Crediton and if theres time stop at Union Rd Moto Velo for great coffee and cakes..... And there are enourmous amounts of history all around, particularly ancient monuments and standing stones.....
Wonderful! Thanks for this.
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Here's the (short) story on the navel V100.
https://www.motoguzzi.com/us_EN/models/v100/v100-mandello-aviazione-navale-1000-v-twin-4s-2022/
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All the new V7's have the larger throttle body with presumably the separate ECU like the V85.
They all have Ride By Wire, Cruise, and multi-mapping, but only the V7 SPORT has the "Sport" mapping mode. At least according to initial literature from Guzzi.
As someone who has played with BMW's R Ninet series with the ride by wire, I would be compelled to buy the V7 Sport with the Sport map over the others. The Beemer calls it "Dynamic" mode in the Ride Modes Pro and the R NineTs that only had "Road" and "Rain" had a sluggish feel in comparison. It's like you have to pay extra to uncork the full factory performance of the motor. Too bad.
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We got our first two of the 2026 V7 sports today, green ones, both pre-sold and are getting prepped.
It is VERY different. Be safe to say it could be called an all-new model. So much new stuff on it.
Pipes are very different, new switches, new keys (still no chips), new brake master, black levers. The heat shields on the side are sort of fake to make it look like straight thrus, but it really loops under the bike and crosses over.
(https://i.ibb.co/ym0cF75M/v7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ym0cF75M)
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PICS! :gotpics:
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According to eagle eyes at Google:
"It looks most like a Golden Eagle or Eastern Imperial Eagle, but strictly speaking, the eagle from Roman legions that ultimately inspired the Imperial French Eagle was not based on an actual species of eagle, but rather their mythology."
YRMV
(https://i.ibb.co/5xqYZkf/romaneagle.webp) (https://ibb.co/5xqYZkf)
Except: The Guzzi eagle is taken directly from the WWI Italian air force eagle. It represents Giovanni Ravelli, the friend of Carlo Guzzi and Giorgio Parodi, who died in an aircraft accident at the end of WWI. The three air force buddies had planned to start a motorcycle company together. Guzzi and Parodi survived to see the vision through and adopted the air force eagle in their logo to represent Ravelli and their time in the air force.
(https://i.ibb.co/RkSwJPMw/WWI-badge.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RkSwJPMw)
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We got our first two of the 2026 V7 sports today, green ones, both pre-sold and are getting prepped.
It is VERY different. Be safe to say it could be called an all-new model. So much new stuff on it.
Pipes are very different, new switches, new keys (still no chips), new brake master, black levers. The heat shields on the side are sort of fake to make it look like straight thrus, but it really loops under the bike and crosses over.
(https://i.ibb.co/ym0cF75M/v7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ym0cF75M)
I was wondering if they’d cave in finally and do a crossover pipe at some point.
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I was wondering if they’d cave in finally and do a crossover pipe at some point.
That "crossover" is the E5 compliant catalytic converter. Triumph does the same thing with the Bonneville.
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That "crossover" is the E5 compliant catalytic converter. Triumph does the same thing with the Bonneville.
If my 73 V7 Sport was Verde Legnano I don't think I could resist getting one. :wink:
(https://i.postimg.cc/5yfwBkYF/verdelegnano.png) (https://postimg.cc/ZBDBZHLT)
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I like it other than a few cosmetic issues, wish it has chrome or stainless exhaust instead of the painted one, a flat seat that was a little longer, and longer front fender w/o the big mounting struts. My hunch is the current styling team didn't want to make it look too much like the original because then they'd be just copying, so they add their own styling changes. The mechanical improvements are great but IMO the original was the nicer styled motorcycle.
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The mechanical improvements are great but IMO the original was the nicer styled motorcycle.
Agree on the nicer. There can be only one Mona Lisa of the motorcycle world.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0jdQMf7J/1979.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sGxyb56V)
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I like it other than a few cosmetic issues, wish it has chrome or stainless exhaust instead of the painted one, a flat seat that was a little longer, and longer front fender w/o the big mounting struts. My hunch is the current styling team didn't want to make it look too much like the original because then they'd be just copying, so they add their own styling changes. The mechanical improvements are great but IMO the original was the nicer styled motorcycle.
Pretty sure you can say that about all these “resurrected” throwback models - V7 Sport, Bonneville, RE Interceptor, W800, etc., often due to a change in modern chassis, but especially the fact that most of them gain AT LEAST 50 lb. In this case, I don’t think a small block frame works to replicate the low hugging styling, unless they used the V9 frame with its straight-back rear rails, but even then you’re dealing with the frame differences as far as the engine mounting goes. The small block was built for squishing into a small motor, whereas the big block frame hugged down lower but offered more space to stretch out, it seems…………coming from a person who’s never even sat on a BB Tonti.
I’ve always felt the 5.5 gallon V7 Sport-like tank looked a little odd on such a short frame.
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That's what I'm talking about, Dave.
Back in the 70's my ride was a 1973 V7 Sport that was almost identical to yours, same color, brakes, only with a gray frame.
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I like it other than a few cosmetic issues, wish it has chrome or stainless exhaust instead of the painted one, a flat seat that was a little longer, and longer front fender w/o the big mounting struts. My hunch is the current styling team didn't want to make it look too much like the original because then they'd be just copying, so they add their own styling changes. The mechanical improvements are great but IMO the original was the nicer styled motorcycle.
Bench seat is one reason I'm on a Bonneville right now. Lower pegs with (lots) more leg room is another reason. Though not really reflected in the specs, the Bonneville "feels" much bigger than the V7 variants. After owning two V7 variants over the past 15 years, bringing a T100 Bonneville into the garage has been refreshing. Much more roomy and comfortable seating. For Rider and passenger.
It really is too bad that the long and low look of the earlier V7 Sport and 850 LeMans big-block bikes has not been, or cannot be, replicated with the current line of small blocks. A couple more inches of wheelbase and a flatter seat would do wonders...
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It really is too bad that the long and low look of the earlier V7 Sport and 850 LeMans big-block bikes has not been, or cannot be, replicated with the current line of small blocks. A couple more inches of wheelbase and a flatter seat would do wonders...
No but they could have gotten it closer to the originals look. The new one's seat is a little higher (3/4") which is the riders portion. There is a lot of open area under the stepped up passenger portion to the tire. Just lowering all that making the whole seat flat and a little longer would stretch out the bike visually. At just under 1" the wheelbases aren't that much different.
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Except: The Guzzi eagle is taken directly from the WWI Italian air force eagle. It represents Giovanni Ravelli, the friend of Carlo Guzzi and Giorgio Parodi, who died in an aircraft accident at the end of WWI. The three air force buddies had planned to start a motorcycle company together. Guzzi and Parodi survived to see the vision through and adopted the air force eagle in their logo to represent Ravelli and their time in the air force.
(https://i.ibb.co/RkSwJPMw/WWI-badge.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RkSwJPMw)
Again from Google...
During WWI, the Italian air force, known as the Corpo Aeronautico Militare, did not have a specific eagle emblem as part of its official insignia. While the eagle is a common symbol in Italian heraldry and was later incorporated into the Regia Aeronautica (the Italian Air Force established in 1923), it wasn't present on Italian aircraft during World War I. Instead, early Italian aircraft used the cockade of Italy, a roundel with the colors of the Italian flag, as their primary marking.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
No Eagle Emblem in WWI:
The Corpo Aeronautico Militare, which was the air component of the Italian Army during WWI, did not feature a distinct eagle emblem on its aircraft.
Italian aircraft primarily displayed the cockade, a circular symbol with the colors of the Italian flag (green, white, and red).
Evolution of the Eagle Symbol:
The eagle became a more prominent symbol in Italian military heraldry, including the Italian Air Force, after WWI, particularly with the establishment of the Regia Aeronautica in 1923.
The Italian Air Force eagle didn't exist in WW1. So who knows where the Guzzi eagle came from, it's all speculation at this point.
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we got some pics up now
https://www.af1racingaustin.com/inventory/display/new/2026/Moto-Guzzi/V7-Sport/ZGUMPUE09TM000022/
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The Italian Air Force eagle didn't exist in WW1. So who knows where the Guzzi eagle came from, it's all speculation at this point.
Your AI overview from your Google search response is letting you down.
The image in my previous post is a WWI Italian pilot's badge. Unofficial as they may have been, they existed.
History from the eagle's beak:
On 15 march 1921, the company "Società Anonima Moto Guzzi" was constitued in the offices of the notary Paolo Cassanello in Corso Aurelio Saffi, Genoa, for "the fabrication and sale of motorcycles, and all other activities pertinent or correlated to the metalworking and mechanical engineering industries". the partners in the Company were the renowned Genoese ship owner Emanuele Vittorio Parodi, his son Giorgio and his friend Carlo Guzzi. Guzzi was a former comrade of Parodi's in the Italia Air Corps, as was another friend giovanni Ravelli, an aviator - like Parodi - who died, however, on 11 August 1919 during a test flight. It was in memory of this friend that the spread-winged eagle motif in the Moto Guzzi badge was chosen.
https://www.motoguzzi.com/hk_EN/tradition/history/#:~:text=Dedicated%20to%20the%20US%20market,Nevada%20and%20V11%20Sport%20series.
From Guzzi Club UK:
During WW I, two Italian Pilots and their Mechanic friend Carlo Guzzi decided to create a motorcycle company after the war.
From the beginning, Moto Guzzi’s logo – an eagle with spread wings – was adopted in commemoration of their dead friend, being identical to an Italian military pilot’s wing.
https://www.motoguzziclub.co.uk/the-history-of-moto-guzzi
This information is well known in the Guzzi World. The fact that it's being debated here is saddening.
Another example of a WWI Italian eagle pin:
worn by a "US Air Service Pilot member of the "Foggiani" who served with the Italian Air Force in WWI".
https://www.flyingtigerantiques.com/incredible-wwi-italian-pilot-wing-in-gilt-bronze-jewelry-modified-for-usn-or-usas-pilot.html
(https://i.ibb.co/5gHKj6PM/wwi-eagle-b.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5gHKj6PM)
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Ed, did the forks come from the Aprilia 660?
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Well after 700 miles I'm very much loving my new V7 Sport. Yesterday I rode both bikes, the Sport to a Morini Owners Club Breakfast at which there were about 30 bikes, but not a single Morini :rolleyes:, and then the Breva 750 in the afternoon only about 15 miles or so to visit a friend in Plymouth and back. The Sport just has so much more torque than the Breva, then engine of which now feels a bit weedy to me. Yet I've travelled 100,000 on that weedy engine. Cest la vie. The Sport handling is in a different class as well, much more secure/planted. Everyone comments on the excellent engine note of the Sport, and it attracts a bit of attention.
Yesterday ordered my hard luggage for it and will have to think about booking in that first service. Then I think a trip to the mountains is in order, a long weekend in Wales I think.
And sadly also advertised the Breva for sale. :sad:
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And sadly also advertised the Breva for sale. :sad:
Could at least wait until I sold mine! :tongue:
Equally sad but something's gotta go.
(Unfair to compare the modern, 'sport' oriented, bigger capacity bike to the auld stalwart.)
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Ed, did the forks come from the Aprilia 660?
no, the forks are unique to the V7 Sport at 41mm....RS660 are 43mm. Adjustable in preload only.
only markings on forks show they are supplied by Wuxi KWT -- Looks like the China branch of KYB
Wuxi KYB Top Absorber Co., Ltd (hereinafter referred to as “KWT”), one of the KYB Group’s production bases in China, is located in Wuxi, Jiangsu Province, China, and
mainly manufactures suspensions for motorcycles.
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Whateverhappened to "economies of scale"?
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Whateverhappened to "economies of scale"?
And Guzzi supporting local vendors??? Marzocchi, etc...
I know it's the way of the world, but one of the charms of Moto Guzzi was the very high Italian-made parts content in their motorcycles.
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And Guzzi supporting local vendors??? Marzocchi, etc...
I know it's the way of the world, but one of the charms of Moto Guzzi was the very high Italian-made parts content in their motorcycles.
Yeah and I lament it too, but charm comes at a cost.
My local breweries charge $15-18/4-pack (16oz cans) of craft Pilsner.
My local liquor store sells a decent German pilsner for $8/4-pack.
I buy a little of both.
PS gawd I want a V7 Sport!
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I got to see the new V7 Classic today in Black-Green. It is a stunner. I only saw it under florescent lights and still it was beautiful. The 2 Sports that arrived were pre-sold so had been picked up already. There are several classics and some stones presently at Cadre but a Sport is on the way and may be the demo.
It is a good thing that the Black-Green was not set up and ready to ride or my wallet would have been in trouble.
Only down side for me is that they will all have the single gauge from now on. It would have been perfection with the 2 clocks, at least for me. It won't stop me when I am ready.
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Made a bit of a mistake by not booking in the first service on the day I picked it up......so it's going to be minimal mileage until the 28th and the first service. Phoned up for the first service when I had 830 miles on the clock...whoops!
But hey I still have the Breva to ride around on in the meantime. :grin:
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Probably old news, but I just noticed a heated grip icon on the V7 dash for 2025.
(https://i.ibb.co/XZJ38G5p/2025-moto-guzzi-v7-sport-first-look-9-1536x1025.webp) (https://ibb.co/XZJ38G5p)
Another nice and thoughtful feature for the V7 line. I would likely Interface Oxford grips to the integrated controller, just like I have with all three V85s that I have had. 👍
Cheers,
Shaun
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Must watch review..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJw3ybvxIps
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I rode it today, the V7 Sport, that is. I would say there is one in my future. Such a fun machine. Practically zero miles on it and everything worked perfectly. On paper, the changes don't sound massive, but when you ride the machine, it is sublime. Just think, 10 years ago we were on the V7 750 version 1. To come so far so fast is truly extraordinary for an Italian company. Bravo Moto Guzzi.
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Next Thursday my new V7 Sport gets its running in service, screen, centrestand and the following weekend I'll mount the pannier racks. Then its away for a 4 days shakedown tour ASAP probably to Wales. Really looking forwards to it, and how it compares to the Breva on a longer trip. I have about 90,000 miles on Brevas, so its a high bar.